- From: Graham Klyne <GK@NineByNine.org>
- Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:01:24 +0000
- To: pat hayes <phayes@ai.uwf.edu>
- Cc: RDF core WG <w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org>
At 02:14 PM 12/4/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Heres a rewrite of the section which hopefully will overcome the
>objections. Feel free to suggest modifications (including, delete it
>altogether :-)
>
>Pat
>----------
Pat,
I'm leaning towards deprecation. But in case the group doesn't like that
option, there's a suggested version below based on your words.
>The intended use for rdf:value is to indicate that some entity is
>associated with a particular value, usually indicated by a literal, from
>some predefined range of possible values. Examples of this kind of use are
>given in [RDF-PRIMER]. It can used, for example, to associate some
>quantity with a literal representing the 'amount' of the quantity, such as
>a weight in kilograms or a length in yards; associating a textual object
>with a Dewey Decimal code; or for indicating a part or model number in
>some contextual range. In all these cases the subject of the triple will
>typically be a blank node denoting the quantity or object in question, and
>whose other properties indicate the context in which the value is to be
>understood. For example:
>
><ex:thing> <ex:weight> _:x .
>_:x rdf:value "12.36"^^xsd:float .
>_:x <ex:weightUnit> <ex:kilogram> .
>
><ex:doc> <dc:subject> _:x .
>_:x rdf:value "020-Library Science" .
>_:x <ex:classification> "DeweyDecimalCode" .
>
><ex:thing> <ex:assembly> _:x .
>_:x rdf:value "1234" .
>_:x <ex:scope> "Model2001-super"
>
>Since the subject of the relevant triple can be any quantity, and the
>object can either be a plain literal indicating a textual representation
>of the amount or a typed literal denoting the numerical value of the
>amount, there is no way to give a formal specification of this intended usage.
Question: is it required that rdf:value object be a literal? I think that
gets messy as a requirement, though it does fit with its intended usage.
>Users are cautioned that any such usage will be context-dependent and is
>liable to be misunderstood if removed from its context. A single triple
>involving rdf:value has no particular meaning in isolation. The use of
>rdf:value in this way can often be replaced by the use of more complex RDF
>constructions or more explicit user-defined vocabulary in order to avoid
>such ambiguities.
>
>-----
Suggested reworking:
[[
The intended use for rdf:value is as part of a construction that indicates
the value denoted by its subject. Some examples are given in
[RDF-PRIMER]. It can used, for example, to indicate a quantity associated
with some unit of measurement, such as a weight in kilograms or a length in
yards. Or it may be used to indicate a textual value interpreted according
top some coding scheme; e.g. a Dewey Decimal code. The object of
rdf:value will typically be a literal of some kind, and the subject a blank
node denoting the value in question, and whose other properties indicate
the context in which the value is to be understood. For example:
<ex:thing> <ex:weight> _:x .
_:x rdf:value "12.36"^^xsd:float .
_:x <ex:weightUnit> <ex:kilogram> .
<ex:doc> <dc:subject> _:x .
_:x rdf:value "020-Library Science" .
_:x <ex:classification> "DeweyDecimalCode" .
Since the subject of rdf:value can denote any value, and the object can be
a plain literal indicating a textual representation or a typed literal
denoting the numerical value, there is no way to give a complete formal
specification of this intended usage.
Users are cautioned that any such use will be context-dependent and is
liable to be misunderstood if removed from its context. A single triple
involving rdf:value has no particular meaning in isolation. Such
ambiguities can be avoided by replacing the rdf:value construct with more
precise RDF constructions or more explicit vocabulary.
]]
-----
>Also at the end of 4.3 (datatype entailments: informative) Ive added this,
>but it can be deleted if people think it doesnt belong (I've already had
>queries as to why this form wasnt mentioned in the MT, though.)
>
>------
>The informal meaning for rdf:value outlined in section 2.3.4 suggests the
>following equivalence, which we mention here for completeness as it
>represents a style of existing usage. We emphasize however that it is not
>strictly valid since rdf:value has no formal semantics, and that in any
>case the three-triple graph below does not have exactly the same meaning
>as the first triple since it does not uniquely associate the plain literal
>with the datatype:
>
>aaa ppp "sss"^^ddd .
>
><-->
I don't like the two-way inference here. I could accept '-->', but the
reverse inference seems too much to even hint at given the non-semantics of
rdf:value.
>aaa ppp _:x .
>_:x rdf:value "sss" .
>_:x rdf:type ddd .
Overall, this is messy enough that I think deprecation is the easy way
out. I think the most we might say formally about rdf:value, consistent
with example of use seen so far, is that:
_:x rdf:value _:y .
means that there is some property p such that the range of p is in the
lexical or value space of some datatype, and:
_:x p _:y .
which is pretty weak. Specific application assumptions may be able to
assign more specific meaning to collections of statements containing
rdf:value, but these additional meanings are not accessible to general RDF
applications.
#g
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Graham Klyne
<GK@NineByNine.org>
Received on Thursday, 5 December 2002 07:03:33 UTC