- From: Graham Klyne <Graham.Klyne@Baltimore.com>
- Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 07:02:19 +0100
- To: Aaron Swartz <aswartz@upclink.com>
- Cc: <w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org>
At 05:11 PM 5/25/01 -0500, Aaron Swartz wrote:
>Graham Klyne <Graham.Klyne@Baltimore.com> wrote:
>
> > (6) quotation has also been mentioned (but I think this is wrong... see
> below)
>
>Below, you do not seem to answer this. What about the example (used in EARL
>and other apps) that:
>
> John said "I like fish."
>
>This feature should not go away.
You're right, on both counts: I didn't address it, and the issue you cite
won't go away. Below is an excerpt from an off-list message I sent to
Frank, which does address the issue:
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The other point which the logicians seem to object to is the idea of
reification as "quotation", which brings statements in the RDF "language"
into RDF's domain of discourse. This requires a whole mechanism of
"reflexion" -- an ability for RDF to interpret its own statements -- which
is claimed by some to be an unnecessarily exotic (difficult?) logical
concept to achieve what is required.
(See, for example, the exchange between Pat Hayes and myself:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-logic/2001May/0056.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-logic/2001May/0071.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-logic/2001May/0120.html
I'm not sure if the fact that Pat didn't reply further to this means that
he found no
further point of disagreement, or simply didn't want to continue the
debate. But to me, the difference between using a resource to denote the
interpretation of an RDF statement in the domain of discourse, as opposed
to quoting the statement itself, seems to be exactly the point he was making.)
This also relates to the idea that, in simple quotation, quantification
doesn't apply to variables within the quoted expression. Drew McDermott
makes this point repeatedly, most recently at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-logic/2001May/0312.html
This posting also hints at "a different form of reification" that is not
simple quotation.
---
My entire message is available at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2001May/0016.html. (I
didn't post it to this list at that time, because it contains much personal
interpretation and I thought it might add more confusion at a point when
the goal seemed to try and draw issues into focus.)
#g
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