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Re: Containers and the RDF Model (A3)

From: Brian McBride <bwm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 15:24:48 +0100
Message-ID: <3B092530.8662C238@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
To: Dan Brickley <danbri@w3.org>
CC: w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org
One way of interpreting the current spec is that the constraints, such as on
the use of all the ordinal properties apply to the container as a whole, but
that there is no constraint specified on a representation of a container
providing only a partial description.

The proposal written by Dave Beckett and me proposed how rdf:li could be
defined in a partial represenation of a container.

It is worth noting also that there are no domain and range constraints
specified for the the ordinal properties.


Dan Brickley wrote:
> Regarding http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001May/0084.html
> RDFCore WG 2001-05-18 Teleconference Agenda action review A3:
>         A3: Ora Lassilla/ send analysis (#rdf-container-syntax-ambiguity and
>             Dan Brickley  #rdf-containers-syntax-vs-schema)to rdfcore-wg list
> I wrote up some *brief* notes on my Hong Kong discussion w/ Ora last week,
> sent them to Ora and the www-archive list archiver rather than this list.
> I wouldn't call this a full analysis of the problem w/ the container
> model, but the note is at:
>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2001May/0000.html
> Excerpted conclusion:
> [[
> Two problems are posed by this formulation:
>  - it suggests that any RDF model which describes some container is in
> possession of a complete description of that container. The phrase "the
> elements of Ord must be used in sequence starting with RDF:_1" appears to
> rule out the use of the formal RDF container model for descriptions where
> only partial information is available. Use case: an rdf:Seq representing
> the (incompletely represented) houses in a street.
>  - it interacts with the syntactic sugar provided by the <rdf:li> XML
> syntax machinery: RDF parsers typically assume that containers encoded
> using this construct contain complete descriptions of some Bag, Seq or
> Alt. But there is no syntax-level support for making this clear.
> This situation is in tension with a broad design goal of RDF: to allow Web
> services to aggregate and process partial descriptions.
> ]]
> We (Ora and I) do not yet make any suggestions as to how to deal with
> this problem.
> Dan
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