- From: Graham Klyne <Graham.Klyne@Baltimore.com>
- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:11:03 +0100
- To: Brian McBride <bwm@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
- Cc: rdf core <w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org>
Brian,
This seems fine to me.
To my mind, an essential feature of your proposal was the way that it
reduced <rdf:li> to a piece of syntactic sugar. Thus, I would have
expected your example:
> <rdf:Bag>
> <rdf:li>1</rdf:li>
> <foo:ten>10</foo:ten>
> <rdf:li>11</rdf:li>
> </rdf:Bag>
To yield:
> _:genid <rdf:type> <rdf:Bag>.
> _:genid <rdf:_1> "1" .
> _:genid <foo:ten> "10" .
> _:genid <rdf:_2> "11" .
So either way works for me, but in light of this example your revised
proposal might be slightly less surprising (a Good Thing).
(Hmmm... is that what you *meant* to put for your final example?)
#g
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At 04:37 PM 6/13/01 +0100, Brian McBride wrote:
>Brian McBride wrote:
> >
> > With respect to action:
> >
> > AP: 2001-06-08#3: Brian McBride: pick up on the syntax issues now the
> > model details have been clarified.
> >
> > from last weeks teleconference, I would like to propose the attached
> > McBride/Beckett proposal for parsing containers. This proposal was
> circulated
> > on RDF Interest in December 2000
>
>With respect to that proposal, I realised that it suffers from a similar
>problem
>to the one that Dan Connolly pointed out in:
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2001Jun/0017.html
>
>The proposal specifically allows for representing partial descriptions of
>containers using the rdf:li syntax. For example:
>
> <rdf:Bag>
> <rdf:li>1</rdf:li>
> <rdf:_10>10</rdf:li>
> <rdf:li>11</rdf:li>
> </rdf:Bag>
>
>will generate (please excuse the abbreviation):
>
> _:genid <rdf:type> <rdf:Bag>.
> _:genid <rdf:_1> "1" .
> _:genid <rdf:_10> "10" .
> _:genid <rdf:_11> "11" .
>
>In essence, rdf:li translates to rdf:_nnn where nnn is one more than the last
>rdf:_mmm encountered in the element.
>
>Now consider property foo:ten which is a subproperty of rdf:_10.
>
> <rdf:Bag>
> <rdf:li>1</rdf:li>
> <foo:ten>10</rdf:li>
> <rdf:li>11</rdf:li>
> </rdf:Bag>
>
>What triples does the above example generate. Either the parser has to
>process
>subPropertyOf relations, or it will generate a different set of triples
>from the
>first example.
>
>An argument can be made that reseting the count in this way is an example
>of feature creep and would be best avoided. It provides more syntactic sugar
>than the language described in M&S. It adds little value, creates
>more work for implementors and creates confusion, as in the case outlined
>above.
>
>I think therefore there is a case to be made for simplifying this aspect of
>the proposal so that rdf:li elements within a description are translated to
>rdf:_nnn where nnn starts at 1 and is incremented by one for each rdf:li
>encountered.
>
>This the example given above:
>
> <rdf:Bag>
> <rdf:li>1</rdf:li>
> <rdf:_10>10</rdf:li>
> <rdf:li>11</rdf:li>
> </rdf:Bag>
>
>would generate:
>
> _:genid <rdf:type> <rdf:Bag>.
> _:genid <rdf:_1> "1" .
> _:genid <rdf:_10> "10" .
> _:genid <rdf:_11> "2" .
>
>This solution also neatly ducks the issue of what do to with:
>
> <rdf:Bag rdf:_1="1" rdf:_2="2">
> <rdf:li>?</rdf:li>
> </rdf:Bag>
>
>I'd welcome feedback from the WG on which way they would like me to proceed
>as I write up the test cases.
>
>Brian
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