- From: Elliotte Rusty Harold <elharo@metalab.unc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:02:36 -0400
- To: "John Boyer" <JBoyer@PureEdge.com>
- Cc: w3c-ietf-xmldsig@w3.org
>Hi Elliotte, > >I'd appreciate it if you'd elaborate on this point a bit more. For my >own case, I currently believe that DTD is used interchangeably as an >abbreviation for both the document type definition grammar and the >document type declaration. Note, however, that I take my understanding >of what DTD means directly from its usage in the XML Recommendation [1], >which incidentally seems to use DTD more often to refer to the >DTDeclaration. Moreover, the same usage for DTD appears in XPath [2]. > They certainly are commonly used this way. However I find that use to be misleading and claim it is mistaken. The document type declaration and document type definition are two different things and need two different abbreviations. "Document type declaration" can be abbreviated "DOCTYPE declaration" if necessary. It cannot be abbreviated DTD. The only truly normative spec on this point is XML 1.0. In the 2nd edition section 2.8 clearly states: [Definition: The XML document type declaration contains or points to markup declarations that provide a grammar for a class of documents. This grammar is known as a document type definition, or DTD. The document type declaration can point to an external subset (a special kind of external entity) containing markup declarations, or can contain the markup declarations directly in an internal subset, or can do both. The DTD for a document consists of both subsets taken together.] This normative part of the spec clearly indicates that "DTD" means "document type definition" and is distinguished from "document type declaration" I have searched through the XML spec for every occurrence of the string "DTD" and I cannot find one which suggests that DTD can sometimes mean "document type declaration". I've also searched the XPath spec and cannot find any place where the acronym "DTD" is used to indicate a document type declaration. However, even if there were such a place, it would only indicate a mistake in the XPath spec. (I did find one place where the phrase "external DTD" was used instead of the more proper "external DTD subset". However, that's a minor mistake that doesn't affect what we're discussing here.) Indeed I've made this mistake myself in the past, and in hindsight it always reflected confusion on my part about just what I was saying. It's unfortunate that document type declaration seems to have the same natural acronym as the closely related document type definition. However, this unfortunate confluence makes it all the more important that we use the term "DTD" very carefully and precisely, especially in other specifications. -- +-----------------------+------------------------+-------------------+ | Elliotte Rusty Harold | elharo@metalab.unc.edu | Writer/Programmer | +-----------------------+------------------------+-------------------+ | The XML Bible (IDG Books, 1999) | | http://metalab.unc.edu/xml/books/bible/ | | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0764532367/cafeaulaitA/ | +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Read Cafe au Lait for Java News: http://metalab.unc.edu/javafaq/ | | Read Cafe con Leche for XML News: http://metalab.unc.edu/xml/ | +----------------------------------+---------------------------------+
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