- From: Yaron Goland <yarong@microsoft.com>
- Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:06:26 -0700
- To: "'Larry Masinter'" <masinter@parc.xerox.com>, Jim Davis <jdavis@parc.xerox.com>, "Falkenhainer, Brian C" <BFalkenhainer@crt.xerox.com>
- Cc: WebDAV working group <w3c-dist-auth@w3.org>
I have a resource called http://a/b/c. I delete http://a/b. Is http://a/b/c deleted? Yaron > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Masinter [mailto:masinter@parc.xerox.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 7:38 PM > To: Jim Davis; Falkenhainer, Brian C > Cc: WebDAV working group > Subject: RE: Hierarchical URLs and Collections > > > This is an odd discussion, since people seem to be putting up > strawman proposals and then knocking them down. > > The objection to the current WebDAV spec is that it requires the > client to parse the URL in ways that are otherwise not required. > > I think part of the issue is that the 'parent' is an attribute > of the resource locator, and not an attribute of the resource itself. > > The 'value' is that it no longer requires that the URL hierarchy > match the (direct) containment hierarchy. > > For example, if put up a DAV server as > > http://myserver.com/people/masinter/cgi-bin/DAVSERVER/root > > I might want to treat 'root' as a container, but not have the client > assume that the parent of 'root' is > http://myserver.com/people/masinter/cgi-bin/DAVSERVER > and that the parent of that resource is > http://myserver.com/people/masinter/cgi-bin/ > > etc. > > Clients shouldn't parse URLs except to deal with relative references. > > This is not a "multi-membership" issue, nor a direct vs. > referential issue; > those are perhaps issues too, but let's leave them aside for now. > > The issue is that currently the semantic concept of direct > containment is equated with syntactic MUST constraints on the > URL syntax. > > That syntactic mapping is certainly required by most file systems, but > it shouldn't be required here. > > From "4.1 Collection Resources" of the April 7 (version 08) draft: > > > > A collection is a resource whose state consists of at > least a list > > of internal members and a set of properties, but which may have > > additional state such as entity bodies returned by GET. > An internal > > member resource MUST have a URI that is immediately > relative to the > > base URI of the collection. That is, the internal > member's URI is > > equal to the parent collection's URI plus an additional segment > > where segment is defined in section 3.2.1 of RFC 2068 > [Fielding et > > al., 1996]. > > > > There are NO OTHER parts of the web or the WebDAV protocol that > require this constraint. The DocuShare WebDAV-style Windows > client works > without that constraint because it deals with the content of > PROPFIND requests, not the syntax of resource URLs. You > certainly don't > need the syntax to walk down the tree - PROPFIND clearly tells what a > collection's members are. > > If we add a server-side operation for obtaining the DAV 'parent' of a > resource (locator), then that kind of approach to walking the > hierarchy > will be more general and more robust. The _server_ should be > the source of hierarchical knowledge, not the client or syntactic > conventions. The server would then be free to store and reference > content as it wishes and the client doesn't need to care. > > It may have confused the issue to make this operation > 'PROPFIND', since it > doesn't actually apply to the resource but to the locator. > > Larry > -- > http://www.parc.xerox.com/masinter >
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