- From: Dylan Barrell <dbarrell@opentext.ch>
- Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:02:52 +-200
- To: "'Web DAV'" <w3c-dist-auth@w3.org>
I like this approach. If you can come-up with a scheme for authentication and a list of the operations which we would like to control for any given resource or set of resources then the authorisation issue could simply be solved by authenticating and attempting to execute an operation or authenticating, requesting the operations which are allowed for a resource and the executing an allowed operation. Modifying the authorisation is then simply an operation like any other. Cheers Dylan ---------- From: Dennis E. Hamilton[SMTP:hamilton@parc.xerox.com] Sent: Montag, 19. Mai 1997 17:35 To: 'Jon Radoff at NovaLink' Cc: 'Web DAV'; 'DMA Tech at AIIM' Subject: DMA: Authentication and Authorization %To: Jon Radoff at NovaLink %Cc: Web DAV DMA Tech at AIIM %Re: DMA Authentication and Authorization Watching the to-and-fro on this problematic area has been fascinating. I thought it might be useful to relate what we ended up with in DMA 0.9 (the current trial-use specification), and what we think we accomplished with that. 1. First, DMA only has a programmatic interface, and has no specified on-the-wire protocol, so there are different opportunities. 2. Secondly, DMA provides for authentication, but is silent on authorization. That is, there is no well-known, prescribed way to specify authorizations. 3. The authentication model is from ODBC. An object that requires authentication for usage has an authentication interface. This interface has an authenticate method that involves passing in a string of name-value pairs that are intended to establish an authenticated access. A null string is a good starting point. The authenticate method either reports success, and the client has been authenticated as having a pariticular authorization for access to otherwise-restricted methods of the object. If the authenticate method reports "failure", it also returns a string specifying the name-value pairs for which values must be supplied for authentication to succeed. This interesting interface was valuable for us because it does not involve direct user interaction. The ODBC negotiation sequence is also stateless and the responses can also offer locale-specific strings that may be useful in prompting an operator for the values of authorization parameters. It is also possible to operate this interface silently without operator involvement, another attraction for scripting and batch operation. 4. In various methods on objects, ones requiring authentication or ones derived via authenticated use of objects, it is possible to learn that an operation is not authorized. This is typically a policy response by a DMA Document Space, the DMA abstraction for a collection and the mechanisms that operate it. Objects might be read only, or not authorized for update access, or whatever. So by having authenticated the access to an object, authorizations can be enforced with regard to that particular authenticated access. 5. How authorizations are carried in collections, how they might show up as properties on objects, and what the mechanisms is for specifying authorizations is not defined in DMA 0.9. 6. In particular, when a new object is introduced (assuming that the authenticated access is authorized for that), there is no specified way to establish the authorizations on the new object. They must be established by policy of the Document Space based on the authenticated access (which might have an associated default authorization) and/or by the specification of values for properties that determine authorization as part of an established protocol that the Document Space implementation is a party to. WHERE THIS LEFT US 7. There is a simple protocol for authentication, based on a scheme in ODBC, that ensures the foundation for any Authentication-Authorization-Accounting protocol is in place. This scheme allows existing authentication schemes to be used and mapped through the DMA API and any sufficiently-secure middleware. 8. Although there is no protocol or model for expressing and manipulating authorizations in the DMA 0.9 model, (7) is sufficient for an authenticated access to be subject to authorization policies implemented in DMA Document Spaces. 9. What we have avoided is invention of an user and identification model by which authorizations are to be expressed. The assumption is that existing models can be mapped through DMA, especially in legacy situations, and people can set to work coming up with agreements, supplemental protocols, and extensions for authorization (and improved authentication across heterogeneous systems) as a separate activity from the core provisions of DMA. We would prefer to borrow from a broader approach to authentication and authorization and simply agree on its expression via the DMA interfaces, methods, and object properties. 10. It seems we are pretty satisfied that the foundation that we have allows a program such as (9) to be carried out, whether or not it is always pretty. Also, we have a versioning and revisioning model -- involving interface and property registration -- that allows extensions to be introduced and normalized over time. This is an avenue for experimental introduction of proposed approaches and development of adherence over time. 11. I do not want to leave the impression that this is a particularly satisfying outcome. What it does provide is a way for us to confine the early work on DMA and avoid having to solve problems not of our own making and for which DMA is not necessarily the place to solve them. We didn't see ourselves as having either the subject-matter expertise or chutzpah to propose a global solution to AAA and end up with yet-another-authentication-and-authorization protocol. In other places closer to the heart of document management we are more brazen. But not here. 12. I would expect that as DMA systems are deployed we will see a demand for a more-disciplined attach on this area, with at least enough promotion of agreements so that the handling of versioning check-out and check-in cases can be tied to authentication and authorization in a clear way. This has always been the place where our detached view is closest to breaking down, because of the need to tell who owns a check-out, who can revoke it, etc. So it is pretty clear that a Document Space will have to expose something here, even if we ducked the issue in the DMA specification. Now that we are in trial use, I expect that more clarity will emerge in the next 2-3 months, and running code and worked out agreements among repository vendors and enterprise stakeholders may well rule on the matter. Also, users will not tolerate not having authorization control at least in conjunction with administrative processes. There are simple practical requirements that implementations must support even if there is no consensus on a uniform approach for codification in the DMA specification. SO WHAT ABOUT WEBDAV? 13. I don't have a position with regard to WebDAV's addressing this area. I just wanted to share our experience. I'd be surprised if we couldn't appropriate any WebDAV scheme that comes up, if it happens to go farther then where DMA 0.9 has gone and the user community concludes that to be close enough for having more completeness in DMA. 14. On the other hand, when we looked at this for DMA, we had the advantage of the Shamrock coalition's earlier efforts to provide for user models and authorization in the Shamrock repository specification. An appreciable part of the Shamrock specification was devoted to this particular topic and it leaked into a lot of places. Not only was that a big job (if you were counting function points or some other complexity factor) but it wasn't particularly satisfying, as far as I could tell, because there is always the question about how it fits into whatever enterprise scheme a particular customer population has implemented or is leaning towards. Dennis E. Hamilton Xerox Document Management Systems Architecture ---------- From: Jon Radoff[SMTP:jradoff@novalink.com] Sent: Monday, May 12, 1997 20:57 To: w3c-dist-auth@w3.org; jradoff@novalink.com Subject: Access Control Draft
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