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Re: Removing XHTML saving from ReSpec?

From: Shane McCarron <ahby@aptest.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:40:06 -0600
Message-ID: <CAOk_reFvpBXjK1=jagtX3Fwx57F6KugUE0UvQWsoD7BXHn=bWg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>
Cc: Robin Berjon <robin@w3.org>, "spec-prod@w3.org" <spec-prod@w3.org>
I would scream.  We use the XHTML format for formal W3C publications (and
XHTML+RDFa).  If there are errors in the output, I am happy to fix them.
Can you elaborage on the errors?

On Friday, February 22, 2013, Michael Cooper wrote:

> **
> I use the XHTML output because I edit in an XML editor, and there is
> always fine tuning to do after the respec output. So I want output that the
> editor will accept. I don't have a working HTML editor that I like, for a
> variety of reasons.
> What really matters for this use case is that the output be well-formed
> from an XML perspective, not that it be technically XML or have a given
> DOCTYPE (changing that is one of the tweaks I make). Mostly, that means
> outputting <br/> instead of <br> and the like, since otherwise the output
> tends to be well formed anyways. If the HTML output did that (or had an
> option to do that), I wouldn't object to dropping XHTML output. But if that
> feature were to be lost, it would cause me extra work in repeatedly
> cleaning up well-formedness just so I can tweak documents, or switching
> editing tools that is difficult to do.
> Another impact of losing well-formed output would be difficulty in running
> XML-based post-processing, such as XSLT. I can't push this use case too
> hard, since I'm not currently doing that with Respec-based documents - but
> I used to, and can imagine needing to again. Mostly I would do such
> processing on the raw document prior to Respec, so this might not be an
> issue, but it would be good not to rule out that use case. In general I
> prefer specs I publish to be well-formed X[ML|HTML] to maximize the range
> of tools that can consume them.
> Michael
> Robin Berjon wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm considering removing the save as XHTML option from ReSpec. All it does
> is confuse people, and it produces XHTML5 (which no one seems to validate)
> what's more with the wrong DOCTYPE.
> Would anyone scream? I expect screaming to be accompanied by solid
> technical justifications (albeit at high volume and pitch).
> --
> Michael Cooper
> Web Accessibility Specialist
> World Wide Web Consortium, Web Accessibility Initiative
> E-mail cooper@w3.org <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'cooper@w3.org');>
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Shane P. McCarron
Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.
Received on Friday, 22 February 2013 13:40:35 UTC

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