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Re: About the usage of a logo

From: MikaŽl DELSOL <delsol.mikael@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:03:21 +0200
Message-ID: <BANLkTikBevar6+cn333VyKVFFmksB8MDmw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Cc: site-comments@w3.org

To be clear, I don't want to be problematic, otherwise, I wouln't have taken
the risk to contact you.

As a web developper in my job since more than 3 years in
PHP/XHTML/CSS/Javascript, I ahve been confronted to many problematics in
order to generate valid webpages regarding to the W3C standards. After
working with mainly PHP, I mean dynamic languages wich allow to generate
dynamic websites, I realized that many time, dynamic websites are often not
valid and not very clean. As I'm pationnated by my work and by generating
clean XHTML code, I developped a set of PHP classes to generate clean XHTML
and full valid XHTML code. But every developper or customer spend time to
look at the  (X)HTML code and the validity of the code. Moreover, since
website complexity grows every day, validity is more and more difficult to
respect while technics to acomplish the tasks need more and more specific

So, in order to train me to use API and to developp a full valid website
well generated, I decided to provide a website which will contain advices to
help developpers to detect errors and warnings, not only by displaying
default W3C API messages but also by providing adapted and actual technics
to avoid the errors/warnings; and also add some contextual exemples  that
can serve as work arounds. As I'm french, my first goal is also to provide
French advices as default messages are in English.

Finally, I wanted to give the possibility to users to see that I didn't
"lie" on results by providing the link to validate the URL, submitted on my
website, on the official W3C validator. Moreover, I provide a historic of
the validations as a evolution report.

I totally understant the problematic by using the "w3c" term but I thought
that it wouldn't be a real problem cause I provide official links to the

I hope I could work in good term with you, you can also understant thath I
need to use a significant domain name, and as you surely know, it's
difficult to find an available significant domain name that containe
validator and (x)html....

I hope I made myself as clear as possible.

Best regards

On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org> wrote:

> On 9 May 2011, at 10:18 AM, MikaŽl DELSOL wrote:
> > I just realize that "w3c" is causing you problems but I don't want to
> generate any conflict with the official W3C website and I would prefere not
> to disable my domain name as I just bought it. If you'd like, I can add a
> mention that indicates the non-officiality of my website ?
> W3C is a registered trademark and thus having it in domain name that
> relates to work that W3C does but that is not a W3C property is problematic.
> For the moment, your site seems only to call the W3C validator and to use
> W3C's name (e.g,. title of your page is "W3C HTML Validator" even though
> your site is not the W3C validator).
> I would need to understand better what you wish to accomplish in order to
> grant permissions to use the logo.
> For the moment, the W3C trademark is not being used in a way that I can
> support.
> Ian
> >
> > best regards
> >
> > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 9 May 2011, at 7:31 AM, MikaŽl DELSOL wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I juste launched a new website located here :
> http://www.w3c-html-validator..com/. You'll find every information about
> this website on the homepage.
> > >
> > > What I want to know is if the usage of the logo at this kind of page :
> http://www.w3c-html-validator.com/Validate-a-webpage/www.750g.com/root si
> OK for you and if it respects the rules of usage for this icon.
> > >
> > > Any way, let me know if you have any questions or suggestions, I'll be
> glade.
> >
> > Hello Mikael,
> >
> > Thank you for writing. I have a number of concerns about your use of
> "w3c", including the domain name and the title of the sample page.
> >
> > Please do not use the W3C name and logo for this service, which I believe
> is likely to cause confusion.
> >
> > I am happy to discuss alternative with you.
> >
> > Ian Jacobs, Head of W3C Communications
> >
> > >
> > > Best regards.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
> > Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
> >
> >
> --
> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
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