Re: New W3C Web Site Launched

The reson to put the RDF-level metadata into W3CSite documents is
not for you to use it --- it is for others to build off the
semantics you publish. 

Basically I believe this is in fact the true challenge of the
Open Semantic Web ever happening -- everyone understands the
value of metadata when it compes to processing and publishing
information they possess; the jury is still out on as to whether
 semantics when available will be published alongisde the content
 for consumers to leverage. 

The current failure to  do this on the W3C site --- laudible
though your reasons might be --- definitely casts a vote on the
above question.

Ian Jacobs writes:
 > On 14 Oct 2009, at 1:21 PM, T.V Raman wrote:
 > 
 > >
 > > somewhat  misses the point of the original poster, who was
 > > pointing at the years of effort in bringing RDF-level metadata
 > > integration into Web pages.
 > >
 > > I have no doubt that W3C  uses RDF internally, or that a lot of
 > > such content is written first in N3;) --- what this site could
 > > validate --- or repudiate (for that matter) is the feasability of
 > > expecting site owners to easily make available the metadata they
 > > have about their content  within the content of Web pages.
 > 
 > We _could_ have done that, but we already had the data available as RDF.
 > 
 > The good thing about the Semantic Web stack is that there are  
 > different tools to meet different needs.
 > You can put data in documents (RDFa, GRDDL)), create data stories  
 > (RDF), create databases accessible through queries (SPARQL).
 > 
 > We saw no value at this time to port some our existing RDF data into  
 > documents only to extract it again in order to use it.
 > 
 >   _ Ian
 > 
 > 
 > > Ian Jacobs writes:
 > >> On 14 Oct 2009, at 2:50 AM, Michael Hausenblas wrote:
 > >>
 > >>>
 > >>> Ian,
 > >>>
 > >>> Indeed, very nice job re design and usability. However, I think we
 > >>> should
 > >>> also take into account what our 'customers' think [1], [2]:
 > >>>
 > >>> "so, are #semanticweb standards too complicated when even the new
 > >>> #w3c site
 > >>> doesn't use them? #stopsnakeoil"
 > >>
 > >> Hi Michael,
 > >>
 > >> We use RDF all over the place internally to manage the site. The RDF
 > >> that we use
 > >> is public:
 > >>
 > >>  Group data:
 > >>  http://www.w3.org/2000/04/mem-news/public-groups.rdf
 > >>
 > >>  Technical reports data:
 > >>  http://www.w3.org/2002/01/tr-automation/tr.rdf
 > >>
 > >> And there's lots more, such as the Talks data.
 > >>
 > >> We don't use RDFa where we have RDF source data.
 > >>
 > >> Of course we could do more (e.g., a sparql endpoint for TR searches),
 > >> and we are likely
 > >> to do more.
 > >>
 > >> Ian
 > >>
 > >>>
 > >>> "@iand apparently all of them: No (obvious) RDF export, no SPARQL
 > >>> API. Just
 > >>> some (broken!) hCalendar items."
 > >>>
 > >>> This is indeed a poor message we send out - why don't we eat our own
 > >>> dogfood? We have a couple of nice standards (RDFa, GRDDL, etc.) in
 > >>> this area
 > >>> and should well be able to demonstrate that we are able to use them,
 > >>> IMHO.
 > >>>
 > >>> Sorry for spoiling the party, but given the broad uptake of semantic
 > >>> technologies in the governmental area (US, UK), the eCommerce domain
 > >>> (GoodRelations), linked data stuff and Google and Yahoo! processing
 > >>> structured data, I can't seriously explain to my colleagues or other
 > >>> W3C
 > >>> customers why we don't have structured data (preferably in RDF)
 > >>> available at
 > >>> the new W3C site.
 > >>>
 > >>> Thoughts, anyone?
 > >>>
 > >>> Cheers,
 > >>>     Michael
 > >>>
 > >>> [1] http://twitter.com/bengee/status/4856670048
 > >>> [2] http://twitter.com/bengee/status/4856830531
 > >>>
 > >>> -- 
 > >>> Dr. Michael Hausenblas
 > >>> LiDRC - Linked Data Research Centre
 > >>> DERI - Digital Enterprise Research Institute
 > >>> NUIG - National University of Ireland, Galway
 > >>> Ireland, Europe
 > >>> Tel. +353 91 495730
 > >>> http://linkeddata.deri.ie/
 > >>> http://sw-app.org/about.html
 > >>>
 > >>>
 > >>>
 > >>>> From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
 > >>>> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:07:47 -0500
 > >>>> To: W3C Members <w3c-ac-members@w3.org>
 > >>>> Cc: <chairs@w3.org>
 > >>>> Subject: New W3C Web Site Launched
 > >>>> Resent-From: <chairs@w3.org>
 > >>>> Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:07:53 +0000
 > >>>>
 > >>>> Dear Advisory Committee Representatives and Chairs,
 > >>>>
 > >>>> Today W3C launched its new Web site:
 > >>>> http://www.w3.org/
 > >>>>
 > >>>> We also launched the new Member site:
 > >>>> http://www.w3.org/Member/
 > >>>>
 > >>>> I hope that you will find the new sites more usable. You will  
 > >>>> notice
 > >>>> that some pages are missing content; we plan to continue to add
 > >>>> content over time and invite your contributions (especially from
 > >>>> Working Groups).
 > >>>>
 > >>>> I expect that over the next few days we will be fixing bugs in  
 > >>>> style
 > >>>> sheets, and so forth. Feel free to send comments to site-
 > >>>> comments@w3.org.
 > >>>>
 > >>>> Thank you,
 > >>>>
 > >>>> Ian Jacobs, Head of W3C Communications
 > >>>>
 > >>>> --
 > >>>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
 > >>>> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
 > >>>>
 > >>>>
 > >>>
 > >>>
 > >>
 > >> --
 > >> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
 > >> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
 > >>
 > >>
 > >
 > 
 > --
 > Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
 > Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447

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