Re: vcard:AddressBook

po 31. 3. 2025 v 19:38 odesílatel Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org> napsal:

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> On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 18:29 Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> po 31. 3. 2025 v 19:22 odesílatel Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
>> napsal:
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>>> The vast majority of rdf classes are for describing “non rdf” stuff from
>>> everyday world. People, places, etc. Some are document-like eg Dublin Core
>>> typical usecase.
>>>
>>> The reason this is slippery to think about is that RDF’s role in
>>> describing these things is often kind of transparent - part of the
>>> application infrastructure. Except sometimes we do talk about file formats
>>> for rdf and other kinds of thing. The Linked Data idea tried to set
>>> expectations that URIs for instances of all types of thing can be
>>> dereferenced to some kind of RDF, even if the type has nothing itself to do
>>> with RDF….
>>>
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>> Wont a vcard AddressBook just be a set of vcard : contacts?  Much like
>> Tracker is to -> Task.  Or is something else planned for it.
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> Not my type; not my plans! But we should know how to answer questions
> about which entities fall within it’s definition, and we cannot assume
> questions all come from folk with RDF expertise
>

+1 noting there's different degrees of RDF expertise.  You could study it
for 10 years, and not know everything.  But some basics should be known,
what is a URI, what is an HTTP Document, what is a Class, what is a
Property -- that's a few minutes of learning, or a single prompt, these
days.


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>>> Dan
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>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 17:37 Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> That’s a good question. Are there other examples where RDF classes are
>>>> used to describe non-RDF documents?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 31 Mar 2025 at 17:41, Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org> wrote:
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>>>>> Is a vcard file in ietf format a vcard:Addressbook in this sense?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2025 at 16:34 Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>> Unless someone objects I will contact W3C staff to make the edit in
>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Michiel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 at 10:41, Michiel de Jong <michiel@unhosted.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>> The reaction on the Calsify mailing list (from my respected personal
>>>>>>> friend Hans-Joerg Happel) sounded positive:
>>>>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/calsify/17sFwUiDu-zp77vbiQBJRjR-_L8/
>>>>>>> There was also a thumbs-up from Pete Rivett on Tim Berners-Lee point
>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>> https://github.com/solid/contacts/issues/8#issuecomment-2719050285
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That makes me think that adding the terms from
>>>>>>> https://github.com/solid/contacts/pull/12/files?short_path=d90e4ed#diff-d90e4edb2d214338309e8948af2f00da8dac0954ae325f903ad5b85d9ae6e9e5
>>>>>>> into https://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns could be a reasonable path
>>>>>>> forward? What would be the next step to explore that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And in general, can we (as a DX improvement) create links from
>>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2006/vcard/ns to https://www.w3.org/TR/vcard-rdf/
>>>>>>> and the other documents that describe it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>> Michiel de Jong
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 16:19, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2025-03-20 15:52, Michiel de Jong wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Thanks! I asked them how they would feel about vCard-related RDF
>>>>>>>> terms
>>>>>>>> > existing only at W3C:
>>>>>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/calsify/
>>>>>>>> > TtTXanhR-iK39MUIiaQv41lnS7U/ <
>>>>>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/
>>>>>>>> > calsify/TtTXanhR-iK39MUIiaQv41lnS7U/>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you want to increase the chances of getting new terms into
>>>>>>>> vCard, I
>>>>>>>> suggest dialing back on Solid. Sharing implementation experience is
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> useful, but be prepared to generalise it - without making it seem
>>>>>>>> Solid-specific - so that it has broader applicability and a higher
>>>>>>>> chance of gaining wider support. Anything Solid-centric for vCard
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> will most likely need to remain within the Solid ecosystem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Sarven
>>>>>>>> https://csarven.ca/#i
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>