- From: Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2024 18:54:47 +0100
- To: public-json-ld-wg@w3.org, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
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I'm rather out of the loop, so apologies if something like this has already been discussed, implemented even. But I feel obliged to flag an issue, offer a potential solution (which might already exist). # Use case : For the past few days I've been working on a bit of code where a processing pipeline will be set up declaratively. I'm still on baby steps, but it's a place where RDF should be ideal. A little graph defines the nodes & arcs of the processing system. To get the code started, I only need a trivial model to work from. A simple list, (input reader)->(process)-> (output writer). So at this stage, it seemed reasonable just to use a minimal JSON list. Generalise to RDF later. There's a sequence of nodes, each with an instance ID and a type for the nature of the thing. A very simple JSON structure covers it. # Issue : But looking ahead, I wondered how to migrate from the arbitrary JSON to an RDF model. Obviously, JSON-LD. In my head I saw a namespace declaration, the rest just lifted & placed there from the keys in the JSON mappings. But in practice, it's not quite like that, it gets ugly fast. I guess it's basically a syntax issue. What you see in the (arbitrary) JSON expression is visually/intuitively understandable. Ditto in Turtle. But in JSON-LD, any kind, the immediacy of interpretation by a human (this one at least) is lost. # Proposed Solution : I don't know if anyone remembers GRDDL [1]. An elegant approach for bridging between anyXML and RDF. One added attribute in the doc, to say it has an RDF representation and here's how to get it. It's an easy inclusion in namespaced XML, we* went for XSLT transformers, a very immediate approach. Imagine an org with loads of XML documents of the same shape. A transformation has to be written once, that pointer inserted in all these docs, very low-effort mapping to the RDF world. As far as I'm aware, to date, absolutely no-one has ever used this. *But* the idea is great. Forget XML, let's do JSON. Add one (presumably top-level) name value pair in a JSON doc: { "http://www.w3.org/2003/g/data-view#", "http://example.org/this-to-that" ... } At http://example.org/this-to-that you have the definition of how to take this arbitrary JSON and make it a citizen of the Web. I'll say again, you might well just want to bin this if such things have been dealt with already. But it did strike me that in practice, I was facing horrible stuff to look at. Please remember RDF/XML's role in adoption. Cheers, Danny. [1] https://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/ * yeah, I was on the GRDDL Working Group. Memory totally gone over my contributions, but in these things I generally only offer /wrong/ arguments (realise years later), which post-factum I convince myself are useful to get the people with their heads screwed on to look at things more closely. I'm still a little irritated I didn't get a credit in the doc, I poked Dan Connolly and he said he's sort it, Didn't. It did mean something to me, one of the very few things I've been involved with which had a very pleasing end product (even if absolutely no-one uses it). I should also confess I was mouthy in the JSON-LD group at the start, but quietly shuffled away when I realised the other folks had magnitudes better grasp. -- ---- https://hyperdata.it <http://hyperdata.it/danja>
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