Re: Notation3 Community Group Report Release

Putting my W3C staff member's hat on… As Doerthe says below, N3 is not just a minor extension to RDF 1.2, so adding it now to the RDF Star WG's work would go beyond the charter of that WG. I believe it would be more appropriate for the N3 Community Group to prepare itself to propose a bona fide Working Group charter that would be scheduled to kick in once RDF 1.2 is properly closed. It will then have to go through the usual hooplas at W3C to get the charter (hopefully) accepted by the W3C membership and do the rest of the work to turn it into a formal Recommendation.

Hans, this is not a dumb suggestion at all.

Cheers

Ivan

> On 4 Jul 2023, at 14:04, Doerthe Arndt <doerthe.arndt@tu-dresden.de> wrote:
> 
> Dear Hans,
> 
> It is a very good idea to combine efforts on N3 and RDF 1.2, but I am afraid that N3 is too complex to be added directly to RDF 1.2. More concrete: N3 allows the use of graphs as terms just like RDF-star supports triples as terms. The latter already causes a lot of discussions since different potential users (naturally) have different expectations. I guess a more complex construct of similar nature will even create more tension.
> 
> Therefore, the N3 working group plans to wait for the outcome of RDF 1.2 to then incorporate the (possible) changes of RDF to N3. Note that some reasoners like for example EYE (https://github.com/eyereasoner/eye) already support RDF-star. So far, I do not see major problems if we want to include RDF-star to N3 (of course that will also depend on the semantics chosen, EYE currently follows the community group report).
> 
> Kind regards,
> Dörthe
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 04.07.2023 um 10:16 schrieb hans.teijgeler@quicknet.nl <mailto:hans.teijgeler@quicknet.nl>:
>> 
>> Is it a dumb suggestion to combine this N3 effort with the earlier reported RDF 1.2 one, in order to avoid divergence?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: David Booth <david@dbooth.org <mailto:david@dbooth.org>>
>> Sent: Monday, 3 July 2023 21:11
>> To: semantic-web@w3.org <mailto:semantic-web@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: Notation3 Community Group Report Release
>> 
>> On 7/3/23 13:29, William Van Woensel wrote:
>>> We are happy to inform you that the first Notation3 Community Group
>>> Report has been released: https://w3c.github.io/N3/spec/
>>> <https://w3c.github.io/N3/spec/>
>> 
>> Awesome!   Great work!
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> David Booth
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Notation3 (also known as N3) is an assertion and logic language that
>>> is a superset of Turtle, featuring logical implications (rules), graph
>>> terms, and builtins ranging from datatype operations to accessing
>>> online knowledge and performing scoped negation as failure.
>>> 
>>> We also created an educational resource as a lightweight introduction
>>> to
>>> Notation3 (which also lists currently available resources):
>>> https://notation3.org/ <https://notation3.org/>
>>> 
>>> We invite you to submit any feedback or issues to our GitHub page:
>>> https://github.com/w3c/N3 <https://github.com/w3c/N3>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> W3C N3 CG Group
>> 
>> 
>> 
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