- From: adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2023 14:11:46 +0000
- To: David McDonell <david@iconicloud.com>
- Cc: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>, ontolog-forum@googlegroups.com, public-lod@w3.org, semantic-web@w3.org
- Message-Id: <v1-F9Z53aVePY7c6TuZ6-c37ffc48f6d6ade99e179752fb3b4505@gmail.com>
David,"3- how much would you be willing to pay for ongoing Developer access?
(OpenAI has referenced figures in the $40K+ per month range recently)."
You have raised interesting questions, although I am uncertain how much the
discussion falls within the remit of this mailing list.
"2- how much did Wikipedia, DBpedia et al get compensated for their contribution
to this series of responses? (The answer is likely nil, since they were
unwitting ‘participants’ in the training process)."
I find this problematic.The general approach, as I understand it is to scrape
all "open source" data on the internet. This is a vague term that also refers to
free to public access, but nevertheless, actually under copyright.Remember, in
the UK at least, even if a website does not assert copyright, the copyright
resides in the possession of the creator of the material or the owner of the
website.
So far, I have not encountered anything about how those sources are found,
categorised or the possibilities of recompense.Wikipedia is a good example of a
knowledge source that could be fairly easily and straightforwardly, recompensed.
But that doesn't solve the problem.Some of the information utilised has been
created with considerable time and effort.The work on the AI mechanisms for
which OpenAI will want recompense has taken time and effort.Developers will want
recompense for the time, effort and expense of creating some product that relies
on this.
Who is it that pays that last bit?
This is the first bit of complication.
The second is that of privacy and data access laws, including access to, for
example, journals that libraries will have on their shelves.
These AI companies cannot pull the requirement for the anonymity of users
without going down the GDPR route.That means that users' investigations cannot
be saved by the AI; the AI cannot learn that way, not hold users to account for
the enquiries they make.Much information on the internet can be created
anonymously too. I don't know the proportion of that which is used by a
particular AI, but, contrary to the aims of linked data and FOAF, there is
little or no responsibility for the generation of that information here either.
Generally, the AI does not have access to learned, peer-reviewed, articles.
Publishers may come to their own arrangements, with, possibly, some fee system
as the answer.
Adam Saltiel
On Sun, Apr 30, 2023 at 2:53 AM David McDonell <david@iconicloud.com> wrote:
Wow, indeed! This is an interesting and compelling demo. Thanks for sharing.👊
Stepping back and looking upstream, a couple of questions pop into mind:
1- how much did it cost OpenAI/ChatGPT to respond to this I/O session
(rhetorically speaking, since we don’t know except that it’s a very expensive
data model, processing-wise; see article link below).
2- how much did Wikipedia, DBpedia et al get compensated for their contribution
to this series of responses? (The answer is likely nil, since they were
unwitting ‘participants’ in the training process).
3- how much would you be willing to pay for ongoing Developer access? (OpenAI
has referenced figures in the $40K+ per month range recently).
Food for thought (ie no free lunch).
For some context see here:
https://www.wired.com/story/openai-ceo-sam-altman-the-age-of-giant-ai-models-is-already-over/
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 5:27 PM adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow!
On Sat, Apr 29, 2023 at 9:12 PM Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com> wrote:
This post (which I am cross-posting to both the LOD and Semantic Web lists) is
an active demonstration of the following:
1. Markdown to HTML (prior to email send action) by my email client
(Thunderbird)
2. Nanotation – whereby ## {Structured Data Notation} Start ## and ##
{Structured Data Notation} End ## markers are used to lift structured data
from HTML documents into a Knowledge Graph for export and upload to a local
filesystem or DBMS/Store that supports SPARQL INSERTs via a SPARQL Endpoint
3. Linked Data Principles – naming entities, entity types, and entity
relationship types using hyperlinks and describing them using RDF statements
What follows is actual content that constitutes the demo, which is best observed
using a browser that includes the OpenLink Structured Data Sniffer Extension
(available for Chrome, Edge, and other Chromium based Browsers, Safari, and
Firefox).
ChatGPT Transcript
Data Source: https://
www.linkedin.com/pulse/reasoning-inference-using-british-royal-family-part-idehen/
## Turtle Start ##
## Entity Relationships
### TBox
@prefix rel: <http://purl.org/vocab/relationship/> .
@prefix owl: <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#> .
rel:parentOf a owl:TransitiveProperty .
rel:siblingOf a owl:TransitiveProperty .
<#RoyalPerson> owl:equivalentClass <http://dbpedia.org/ontology/Royalty> ;
rdfs:subClassOf schema:Person, foaf:Person .
### ABox
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince William" ;
rel:siblingOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Queen Mother" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Queen Elizabeth II" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales>,<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal>,
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York>, <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex> ;
rel:siblingOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Charles" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales> , <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Margaret" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Anne" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips>, <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Zara Phillips" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Beatrice" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#FemalePerson> ;
schema:name "Princess Eugenie" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Andrew" ;
rel:parentOf <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York>, <http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Edward" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Harry" .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips> a <#RoyalPerson>, <#MalePerson> ;
schema:name "Prince Peter Phillips" .
# Wikidata Co-references
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q36812> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q152316> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q9682> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon> owl:sameAs <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q344908> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q147663> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165709> .
<http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York> owl:sameAs <http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165657> .
## Turtle End ##
Q: Given the Knowledge Graph above, and the nature of relations defined in the
TBox section, present all siblings (denoted by their Wikidata identifiers, as
presented in the ABox section of the dataset) in a markdown formatted table
comprising Name and Wikidata ID and DBpedia ID columns – represented using
Markdown in a code-block that includes ## Markdown Start ## and ## Markdown End
##
A:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Prince William
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q36812
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales Prince Harry
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q152316
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales Queen Elizabeth II
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q9682
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom Princess
Margaret (not provided)
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon Prince
Charles http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales Princess Anne
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal Prince Andrew
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York Prince Edward
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex Peter Phillips
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q344908
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips Zara Phillips
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q147663
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips Princess Eugenie
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165709
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York Princess Beatrice
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165657
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York MARKDOWN END
Q: Repeat, but for the entity denoted by http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
.
A:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Queen Elizabeth II
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9682
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom Princess
Margaret (not provided)
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon MARKDOWN END
Wrong!!
Q: Sure, bearing in mind the equivalence semantics of owl:sameAs attributes?
A:
Apologies for the oversight in considering the owl:sameAs attributes. Here is
the requested information formatted as a Markdown table, listing the siblings of
the entity denoted by http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274 (Prince Charles)
with their names, Wikidata IDs, and DBpedia IDs, taking into account the
owl:sameAs attributes:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Queen Elizabeth II
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q9682
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Elizabeth_II_of_the_United_Kingdom Princess
Margaret (not provided)
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Margaret,_Countess_of_Snowdon MARKDOWN END
Wrong!!
Q: Sure?
A:
Apologies for my previous responses. I misunderstood your request. Here is the
correct information formatted as a Markdown table, listing the siblings of the
entity denoted by http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274 (Prince Charles) with
their names, Wikidata IDs, and DBpedia IDs, taking into account the owl:sameAs
attributes:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Princess Anne
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal Prince Andrew
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York Prince Edward
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex MARKDOWN END
Q: Repeat, but for the nieces of the entity denoted by
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
A:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Princess Beatrice
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165657
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York Princess Eugenie
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165709
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York Zara Phillips
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q147663
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips MARKDOWN END
Q:
Repeat, but for Aunties – adding an Aunty Of Column for Nephews or Nieces.
A:
Here is the requested information formatted as a Markdown table, listing the
aunties of the entity denoted by http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920 (Prince
Edward) with their names, Wikidata IDs, DBpedia IDs, and the nieces or nephews
they are aunties of:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Auntie Of (Nephews or Nieces) Princess Anne
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal Princess Beatrice, Princess
Eugenie Princess Anne http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal Zara Phillips MARKDOWN END
** Wrong !!***
Q:
Sure?
A:
** Wrong !!**
Q:
Repeat, but listing all the royal Uncles
A:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Uncle Of (Nephews or Nieces) Prince Charles
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales Prince William, Prince
Harry Prince Andrew http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York Princess Beatrice,
Princess Eugenie Prince Edward http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex Zara Phillips, Peter
Phillips Prince Edward http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex Princess Beatrice,
Princess Eugenie Prince Charles http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales Zara Phillips, Peter
Phillips Prince Andrew http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York Zara Phillips, Peter
Phillips MARKDOWN END
** Wrong !!!**
Q: Sure?
A:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Uncle Of (Nephews or Nieces) Prince Charles
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales Prince William, Prince
Harry Prince Andrew http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York Prince William, Prince
Harry Prince Edward http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex Prince William,
Prince Harry Prince Charles http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales Zara Phillips, Peter
Phillips Prince Andrew http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York Zara Phillips, Peter
Phillips Prince Edward http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex Zara Phillips, Peter
Phillips MARKDOWN END
** Wrong !!!**
Q: Repeat, but for all Grandchildren of the entity denoted by
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633 .
A:
Here is the requested information formatted as a Markdown table, listing all the
grandchildren of the entity denoted by https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633
(Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon) along with their names, Wikidata IDs, and DBpedia IDs:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Prince Charles
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q43274
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales Princess Anne
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q151754
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Anne,_Princess_Royal Prince Andrew
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q153330
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York Prince Edward
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q154920
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Edward,_Earl_of_Wessex MARKDOWN END
Q: Repeat, but for all the Great Granchildren of the entity denoted by
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633 .
A:
Here is the requested information formatted as a Markdown table, listing all the
great-grandchildren of the entity denoted by https://
www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q10633 (Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon) along with their names,
Wikidata IDs, and DBpedia IDs:
MARKDOWN START
Name Wikidata ID DBpedia ID Prince William
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q36812
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_William_of_Wales Prince Harry
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q152316
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Prince_Harry_of_Wales Peter Phillips
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q344908
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Peter_Phillips Zara Phillips
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q147663
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Zara_Phillips Princess Beatrice
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165657
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Beatrice_of_York Princess Eugenie
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q165709
http://dbpedia.org/resource/Princess_Eugenie_of_York MARKDOWN END
Q: Repeat, but for all the descendants of the entity denoted by
http://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q9682 .
A:
Here is the requested information formatted as a Markdown table, listing all the
descendants of the entity denoted by http://
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