- From: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
- Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2022 16:20:36 -0400
- To: "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Great discussion! It seems that lists and n-ary relations are closely related, in that one could view a list as a set of key-value pairs (or predicate-object pairs) of an n-ary relation. For example, if the Turtle list syntax were used to express a built-in list object -- or more properly an *array* object -- rather than a first-rest ladder of triples, then this example: # Example 1 :dogShow winners ( :ginger :bailey ) . might be almost equivalent to: # Example 2 :dogShow :winners [ 0 :ginger ; 1 :bailey ] . if integers could be used as predicates, which they can in generalized RDF. https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-generalized-rdf However, example 1 expresses a single triple, whereas example 2 expresses three triples. In languages that manipulate RDF, such as SPARQL and various programming languages, it is always helpful to have ways to convert between a built-in construct and its constituent parts, and this can either be done implicitly or with explicit operators. Implicit conversion offers more convenience, but at the price of being more error prone. For example, if SPARQL did this conversion implicitly, the ordered list of winners from example 1 above might be obtained by: # Example 3: implicit conversion from list to set of triples SELECT ?winner ?index WHERE { :dogShow :winners [ ?index ?winner ] } ORDER BY ?index On the other hand, if an explicit "@[ ... ]" operator were instead added to SPARQL, to convert a built-in list to its equivalent set of explicit triples, then the query might look like this: # Example 4: explicit conversion from list to set of triples SELECT ?winner ?index WHERE { :dogShow :winners @[ ?index ?winner ] } ORDER BY ?index I'm just making up a possible syntax here for illustrative purposes. Some other syntax might be better. A method should also be provided to go the other direction: convert a set of triples into the equivalent built-in object. And although I think that sets and bags would also be useful, I think they could be readily layered on top of lists/arrays if we get proper built-in list/array support. Example 2 above is strikingly similar to a commonly used idiom for encoding an n-ary relation: # Example 5 :christine :diagnosis [ :disease :breastCancer ; :probability 0.8 ] . Idioms for n-ary relations are explained in https://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-n-aryRelations/ This similarity that others have pointed out between lists and n-ary relations seems like good news, because it suggests that if we can figure out how to add one to RDF, we can also add the other, and both are sorely needed for convenience. For reasons why, see: https://github.com/w3c/EasierRDF/issues/74 https://github.com/w3c/EasierRDF/issues/20 Example 5 above is really a work-around for the lack of native n-ary relations in RDF. It expresses three triples: # Example 5a -- ntriples for example 5 :christine :diagnosis _:b0 . _:b0 :disease :breastCancer . _:b0 :probability 0.8 . However, inspired by example 4 above, perhaps a similar syntax could be used to write an n-ary relation that would treat Christine's suspected disease and probability as a single entity participating in the :diagnosis relation: # Example 6 :christine :diagnosis @[ :disease :breastCancer ; :probability 0.8 ] . This differs from example 5 because example 6 expresses a *single* triple that connects :christine with a diagnosis object -- not 3 triples. The order in which the diagnosis properties are listed has no effect -- they are a set: # Example 7a: property order does not matter @[ :probability 0.8 ; :disease :breastCancer ] owl:sameAs @[ :disease :breastCancer ; :probability 0.8 ] . and adding or removing a property makes it different: # Example 7b @[ :probability 0.8 ; :disease :breastCancer ] :NOT_sameAs @[ :disease :breastCancer ; :probability 0.8 :year 2022 ] . Trying to specify the same property twice should be a syntax error: # Example 7c -- INVALID -- SYNTAX ERROR! :christine :diagnosis @[ :disease :breastCancer ; :disease :colonCancer ; :probability 0.8 ] . But the following would not be a syntax error, even if it may be semantically wrong: # Example 7d :malady owl:sameAs :disease . :christine :diagnosis @[ :disease :breastCancer ; :malady :colonCancer ; :probability 0.8 ] . And of course, these constructs could be nested as desired. I think something like this could meet the need for n-ary relations in some future RDF syntax. And based on previous comments by Pat and Anthony, it sounds like the semantics would not be a problem. Thanks very much to Thomas, Pat, Anthony and others for a very helpful discussion! David Booth
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