Re: EasierRDF

On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 at 08:01, Mike Prorock <mprorock@mesur.io> wrote:

> Looping in Orie...
> Frederik,
> We make heavy use of VCs and the underlying JSON-LD, while primarily
> analyzing that data with graph approaches, especially in Neo4J and memgraph
> depending on the use case.
>

Can you expand on the processing workflow here? Are you parsing json-ld
into rdf graphs or extracting via json-ld’s abstractions? What mapping from
this into property graphs are you following?

For practical purposes sparql has not been great for us in practice,
> especially in the locating of technical resources side of things.
>

By technical resources - do you mean hiring experts? Or software, cloud
hosting etc?

Perhaps you could start a thread walking this community through some real
life use case? Eg
https://mesur.io/food-security looks fascinating… (ok I once worked for UN
FAO so I may have a distorted sense of “fascinating“).

To respond the larger point about EasierRDF, I am fully behind the goal but
fear some of the advocated solution risks making things - in some ways -
harder. Specifically the endearing obsession our community has with unique
identifiers (and fear of “blank nodes”) can be overbearing and distracting
for folk with other priorities. Perhaps they don’t know what’s good for
them, … :/

Dan


> Mike Prorock
> mesur.io
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, 07:23 Frederik Byl <frederik.byl@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear community,
>>
>> I came across the project https://github.com/w3c/EasierRDF. I think it
>> is a good idea to have a look at RDF and the challenges it has. I'm
>> struggling with the use, because the work that is necessary to make systems
>> interoperable by understanding ontologies, formatting the data, extending
>> ontologies, writing queries, etc, is huge! I am a big fan of graph
>> databases and the ease of using Neo4j, Cypher, plain json and writing
>> converters between readable json formats is so much faster and developer
>> friendly. Queries in Cypher are intuitively and can be understood on sight.
>> I am also looking at Solid and I find the approach of data pods extremely
>> interesting and relevant, but the structure is so overwhelming and
>> overcomplicated that I start losing faith in this. Since the project
>> EasierRDF is started, I guess others struggle with the same? Are there some
>> major advantages of using RDF and Sparql over Neo4j and Cypher? We could do
>> linked data with Json-ld and Neo4j?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Frederik
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> Van: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
>> Date: do 10 feb. 2022 om 16:56
>> Subject: Re: EasierRDF
>> To: Frederik Byl <frederik.byl@gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Hi Frederik,
>>
>> You are asking an excellent question, and I think the community as a
>> whole would benefit from discussing it on a public list, both to get
>> more viewpoints and to expose your question to other existing RDF users.
>>   Would you be willing to post your question to the public
>> semantic-web@w3.org list?
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David Booth
>>
>> On 2/10/22 10:43, Frederik Byl wrote:
>> > Dear David,
>> >
>> > I am sorry to contact you in this straightforward manner. I came across
>> > your project https://github.com/w3c/EasierRDF
>> > <https://github.com/w3c/EasierRDF>. I think it is a good idea to have
>> a
>> > look at RDF and the challenges it has. I'm struggling with the use and
>> > the work that is necessary to make systems interoperable by
>> > understanding ontologies, formatting the data, extending ontologies
>> etc,
>> > is huge! I am a big fan of graph databases and the ease of using Neo4j
>> > and plain json and writing converters between readable json formats is
>> > so much faster and developer friendly. I am also looking at Solid and I
>> > find the approach of data pods extremely interesting and relevant, but
>> > the structure is so overwhelming and overcomplicated that I start
>> losing
>> > faith in this.Since you started the project Easier RDF, I guess you
>> > struggle with the same, or do you see some major advantages in using
>> RDF?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Frederik
>>
>