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RE: A Less Ephemeral Web

From: Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 10:30:17 +0000
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Thank you. I think that you understand correctly. The ideas are: (1) allowing end-users to conveniently store, save, or scrapbook webpages and things in them to their local devices or the cloud, and (2) software developers could provide features and services to end-users who choose to do so.

With respect to storing, saving, or scrapbooking news articles, we can consider three important scenarios: (1) citizens could review news articles from throughout the terms of incumbent candidates, better holding their governments and elected government officials accountable, (2) businesspeople could utilize features and services on stored collections of business news articles, enhancing business and market-related decision-making processes at scale, (3) end-users could store, save, or scrapbook news articles from social media websites.

Features and services which could be provided to end-users who choose to store, save or scrapbook news articles include, but are not limited to: (1) notifying end-users of the distribution of the sources of their collected articles, (2) notifying end-users whether their collected articles contain any misinformation or disinformation, (3) notifying end-users whether any new articles supersede any collected articles, (4) indicating to end-users the distribution of topics or keywords in their collected articles, (5) indicating to end-users the results of processing sentiment analysis tools upon their collected articles, (6) indicating to end-users any spin or persuasion in their collected articles, (7) indicating to end-users the comprehensiveness of their news search and gathering processes for given topics, (8) providing end-users with multi-document summarization, (9) providing end-users with multi-document Q&A systems, (10) providing end-users with news recommendation systems which, in a configurable manner, could recommend news articles and editorials to end-users to mitigate potential cognitive biases, e.g. confirmation biases, evident in end-users’ collections, and (11) providing end-users with other features and services.

I also hope that the W3C can move forward on these topics, ensuring that end-users can conveniently store, save, or scrapbook webpages and things in them to their local devices or the cloud, doing so for reasons including to later make use of features and services.

Recently, discussion on these topics started at the Web Incubator Community Group (WICG): https://github.com/WICG/proposals/issues/5 . It was indicated to me there that the Microsoft Edge browser provides a Collections feature similar to the ideas under discussion: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4558542/organize-your-ideas-with-collections-in-microsoft-edge .

Let us move this discussion to the WICG: https://github.com/WICG/proposals/issues/5 . Depending upon community interest, interested participants could create a new Community Group to further discuss and explore these ideas and/or determine whether any needed specification work is in the purview of any current or new Working Groups.

Best regards,

From: Aymeric Vitte<mailto:aymeric@peersm.com>
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Subject: Re: A Less Ephemeral Web

If I understand correctly, the concept is to store web pages parts without using full bookmarks and/or full wayback machine indexing and/or icloud web pages storage

Maybe take a look here: http://extractwidget.com/

This site was targeted for other purposes but clearly one of the target was to extract part of web pages and store them as "widgets", with real time retrieval or just stored as independent gadgets "forever"

There was a patent about this that did conflict with Web Components and therefore was sold to Google & co, W3C was probably part of the deal

So to reach my point (again if I am not misunderstanding what the discussion is about), maybe Web Components can do it or will
Le 28/08/2020 à 14:33, William Van Woensel a écrit :
Hi Adam,

If I understood correctly, your idea would involve semantically annotated bookmarks – i.e., allowing external third-party annotation but also leveraging pre-existing “data islands” within the bookmarked pages. If this is accurate, using that particular search term (i.e., semantic bookmarking) already points towards some useful prior work.

From a technical point of view, I’ve dabbled a bit in extracting structured data from annotated websites: checkout Any23<https://any23.apache.org/>, java-RDFa<https://github.com/shellac/java-rdfa> and JS RDFa<https://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/impl/js/> (others could have emerged since).

Kind regards,


From: Adam Sobieski <adamsobieski@hotmail.com><mailto:adamsobieski@hotmail.com>
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Subject: A Less Ephemeral Web

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Web users could press or click on a Web browser button to save, note or scrapbook webpages and/or Web-schema-annotated objects in them, storing them for later use. This storage could be organized into folders and Web schema could be of use for sorting webpages and/or objects into these folders. For example, a NewsArticle schema could indicate that, when saved, noted or scrapbooked, Web content could be organized into a folder called “News Articles”.

Webpages and/or objects in them could be stored on users’ local devices or stored on cloud-based storage such as Microsoft OneDrive or Google Drive. This could be configurable for end users.

Cloud-based storage and extensible architectures could facilitate the development of apps, plugins and services to analyze the contents of collections of stored webpages to provide features for end users. Some specific examples of analytical services in the news space include: (1) notifying users of the distribution of the sources of their collected articles, (2) notifying users whether their collected articles contain misinformation or disinformation, (3) notifying users whether their collected articles are “left-leaning” or “right-leaning”, (4) indicating to users the distribution of topics in their collected articles, (5) indicating to users sentiment analysis upon their collected articles, (6) indicating to users the comprehensiveness of their news search and gathering processes for a given topic, and (7) providing other features made possible by other AI and natural language processing tools.

Multiple means of navigating collections of stored webpages and/or objects can be envisioned. Users could utilize a calendar-based widget to navigate collections of webpages or objects. Users could also navigate via a folders-based user experience.

Multiple means of searching collections of stored webpages and/or objects can be envisioned, for example searching for content by text strings or keywords.

Thank you. I hope that these ideas are of some interest to you.

Best regards,
Adam Sobieski


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