- From: Sebastian Samaruga <ssamarug@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 00:48:51 -0300
- To: Simon.Cox@csiro.au
- Cc: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfpschneider@gmail.com>, public-schemaorg@w3.org, W3C Semantic Web IG <semantic-web@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAOLUXBtRqvJ3QPMpHoBAFQK8BiQ=pAWOPWZ+Ub5aPFqKkmjVyg@mail.gmail.com>
Events denoting dimensional changes of State (measures / observations) over
an entity? Periods / processes: spans while an observation in respect to a
(dimensional) concept remains the same?
State: countryPresident,
Event: presidentialElection,
Period / Process: presidentialRuling.
Still thinking in a more semiotical / dimensional approach.
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 10:58 PM Sebastian Samaruga <ssamarug@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Semiotically, an Event could be regarded as the occurrence of a Concept in
> the form of a Sign for a given Object (metaclass / class / instance
> relationship). Occurrences of entities happens as dimensional measures, not
> only temporal or physical ('birthdays' could be a 'dimension'). Measures
> bring Data from which Contexts (schema) could be aggregated. And from
> schema one could infer Interactions or roles in behaviors (DCI OO design
> pattern).
>
> This is roughly sketched at:
> https://github.com/ssamarug/ssamarug/blob/master/Metamodel.pdf?raw=true
>
> I think dimensional modelling approach is not only useful in OLAP cubes
> but also in the Semantic Web. For example in this Event / Period dilemma.
>
> Is this discussion pertinent to the SW community in general
> (semantic-web)? As this is an ontological issue I'm including the
> corresponding list. Regards,
>
> Sebastián.
> http://exampledotorg.blogspot.com
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 10:38 PM <Simon.Cox@csiro.au> wrote:
>
>> That is signified by the fact that '19 June 2018' doesn't have a name,
>> only an index.
>>
>> An 'event' that happened on that day would probably have a name relating
>> to the activity.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider [mailto:pfpschneider@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 June, 2018 11:17
>> To: public-schemaorg@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: Historical events
>>
>> I think that ages are qualitatively different from events. Consider a
>> very short age - 19 June 2018. As far as I am concerned that is not an
>> event.
>>
>>
>> peter
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/19/2018 05:06 PM, Anthony Moretti wrote:
>> > Look, I'm no temporal expert or anything, but maybe the problem is in
>> > English it could be a continuum from "event" to "period" as the
>> > interval of time being named gets longer, with no clear boundary.
>> >
>> > Mike's birthday party - an event
>> > The Middle Ages - a period
>> >
>> > Because from a data modeling point of view they're the same (at least
>> > as far as my modeling knowledge goes).
>> >
>> > So an unpopular solution I'm guessing would be to rename the type to
>> > *EventOrPeriod*.
>> >
>> > So your previous example:
>> >
>> > The Black Death
>> > superEventOrPeriod: The Middle Ages
>> >
>> > People's ideas?
>> >
>> > Anthony
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:10 PM Richard Wallis
>> > <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com
>> > <mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Anthony,
>> >
>> > I’m not following your logic here. I don’t see a Period (of time
>> from a
>> > start time/date to an end date/time) as an event.
>> >
>> > ~Richard.
>> >
>> > Richard Wallis
>> > Founder, Data Liberate
>> > http://dataliberate.com
>> > Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/richardwallis
>> > Twitter: @rjw
>> >
>> > On 20 June 2018 at 00:05, Anthony Moretti <
>> anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>> > <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > That definitely works, but only if some definition of Period was
>> > agreed on.
>> >
>> > The property periodEventOccurred would be a subproperty of
>> > superEvent in any case:
>> >
>> > superEvent
>> >
>> > periodEventOccurred
>> >
>> >
>> > So you could describe the same information using the existing
>> term
>> > right?
>> >
>> > The Black Death
>> >
>> > superEvent: The Middle Ages
>> >
>> >
>> > Anthony
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:50 PM Richard Wallis
>> > <richard.wallis@dataliberate.com
>> > <mailto:richard.wallis@dataliberate.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Using a Period Type I would suggest a cleaner alternative
>> way of
>> > saying an event occurred during a period would be like this:
>> >
>> > {
>> > "@context": "http://schema.org",
>> > "@type": "Event",
>> > "name": "The Black Death",
>> > "Description": "A pandemic that spread throughout Europe",
>> > "periodEventOccured": {
>> > "@type": "Period",
>> > "name": "The Middle Ages",
>> > "approximateStartDate": "400AD",
>> > "approximateEndDate":"1500AD"
>> > }
>> > }
>> >
>> > On 19 June 2018 at 23:41, Anthony Moretti
>> > <anthony.moretti@gmail.com <mailto:
>> anthony.moretti@gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I was referencing the development version of Schema, I
>> > should probably reference production, sorry Roger:
>> >
>> > * https://schema.org/subEvent
>> > * https://schema.org/superEvent
>> >
>> > To say some event happened during the Iron Age for
>> example:
>> >
>> > Invention of iron plow
>> > superEvent: Iron Age
>> >
>> >
>> > Anthony
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 3:05 PM Muri, Allison
>> > <allison.muri@usask.ca <mailto:allison.muri@usask.ca>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The google Cloud host is really slow and I think
>> the 404
>> > is a result of something loading too slowly. I could
>> > probably publish this more reliably on my own
>> website! I
>> > generally just wait a bit and reload the page. Sorry
>> > about that.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Roger Rohrbach
>> > <roger@ecstatic.com <mailto:roger@ecstatic.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I get 404 Not Found for both of those pages.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:50 AM, Anthony Moretti
>> >>> <anthony.moretti@gmail.com
>> >>> <mailto:anthony.moretti@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Isn't it already modeled by these properties?:
>> >>>
>> >>> * https://webschemas.org/subEvent
>> >>> * https://webschemas.org/superEvent
>> >>>
>> >>> Events can exist in part-whole hierarchies, aren't
>> >>> named periods just events high in these
>> hierarchies?
>> >>>
>> >>> Anthony
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
Received on Wednesday, 20 June 2018 03:50:26 UTC