Re: With footnotes (was Re: Open Access to Journal of Web Semantics (JWS))

my point exactly.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Enrique Pérez Arnaud <enrique@cazalla.net>
wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 11:11:43AM +0200, Alexander Garcia Castro wrote:
> > First two paragraphs about the important issue and then my response
> about the
> > pre print offered by the journal that Ian talks about.
> >
> > Publishers are now taking on the pre prints very actively. I should say
> here
> > that pre prints owned by publishers are not in control of the community.
> If
> > this part of the infrastructure is also in control of service providers
> then
> > the only important asset that we researchers produce will be 100%
> controlled by
> > someone else. Yes, I know that some people will argue that papers are
> not the
> > only asset that we produce. Unfortunately  papers are the only asset that
> > counts because everything in academia is paper centric. We are
> witnessing how
> >  little by little service providers take control of everything we
> produce (all
> > sorts of research objects). all the assets and therefore all the
> generated
> > value and by doing so they gain an unnecessary influence in the market
> as a
> > whole. They also have under control the metrics derived from those
> assets. IMHO
> > lab information management systems, specialised gits, data repositories,
> etc
> > must remain under our control; simply because this is critical
> infrastructure.
> >
> > Once again, if moving scholarly communication forward is the real
> objective
> > then we need a part of the infrastructure fully under our control. pre
> prints
> > maintained by universities are somewhat "rigid" and dont allow the
> necessary
> >  "hacking" that is needed in order to move away from the current
> system.  IMHO
> > the Open Science Framework (OSF) offers a viable alternative. Perhaps
> not as
> > decentralised as some would like but away enough from being in control
> of some
> > few service providers. Also, open enough as to make experimentation
> easy. I see
> > this OSF option as a platform for hacking and that is why I have strongly
> > argued that we, the semantic we and ontology community, need a pre print
> > server. hope this resonates with some people.
>
> I think that in this sense, it may be worth considering that the
> semantic web community is not just another academic community. In the
> same way that computer scientists were in a unique position to take
> advantage of all the new possibilities that computer networks open as
> regards project management, and were at the origin of most new related
> standards, the semantic web community should be in a unique position as
> regards taking advantage of the web to produce new publishing
> standards. So its efforts in this direction might be seen, not just
> as aiming to solve a problem of its own, but as leading the way in
> solving a problem of a broader community.
>
> >
> > As for the pre print Ian talks about
> >
> > The pre print is at http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/index.
> php/ps/issue/
> > archive and
> >
> >  "The Preprint Server provides readers with free electronic access to
> article
> > preprints of the Journal of Web Semantics: Science, Services and Agents
> on the
> > World Wide Web at Elsevier."
> >
> > so, what is the difference between a pre print and the final print? do u
> have
> > to pay in order to have a paper archived at the pre print? does this pre
> print
> > only archives papers published in the journal?
> >
> > Also, having a DOI is not such a big deal; ZENODO, not a formal pre print
> > server, assigns DOIs to the things that u upload. So, if having a DOI is
> such a
> > big deal one could simply upload the paper to ZENODO, get the DOI and
> then have
> > it also anywhere else -yes, this is the decentralisation we currently
> have.
> >
> > Pre prints are much more flexible than what the journal that Ian talks
> about
> > offers, for instance:
> >
> > "PsyArXiv provides support for multiple versions of a file,
> within-browser
> > rendering of manuscripts, inclusion of supplementary files, data, and
> code,
> > appropriate metadata, and links to resulting journal articles including
> DOIs"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@cs.ox.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> >     An important correction:
> >
> >     Articles on the preprint server are post-review, and differ from the
> >     published version only w.r.t. formatting.
> >
> >     Ian Horrocks
> >     Editor in Chief
> >     Journal of Web Semantics
> >
> >
> >
> >     > On 8 Aug 2017, at 20:27, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > On 2017-08-08 19:16, Ian Horrocks wrote:
> >     >> I would like to remind everyone that JWS provides free open
> access via
> >     its preprint server:
> >     >>
> >     >> http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/
> >     >>
> >     >> You can find there not only the latest articles but an archive of
> all
> >     articles published in the journal going back to Vol 1, No 1 (2003).
> >     >>
> >     >> Ian Horrocks
> >     >> Editor in Chief
> >     >> Journal of Web Semantics
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > I would like to remind everyone that JWS provides free [1] open
> access
> >     > via its preprint server [2]:
> >     >
> >     > http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/
> >     >
> >     > You can find there not only the latest articles but an archive [3]
> of
> >     > all articles published in the journal [4] going back to Vol 1, No 1
> >     > (2003) [5].
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > [1] Nothing is free and this is not a charity from Elsevier. Public
> >     > institutions/libraries that subscribe to Elsevier's service have
> already
> >     > paid for the "free" service. How much? Ask your head librarian
> about the
> >     > confidentiality clause.
> >     >
> >     > [2] These works precede peer-review and are not considered to be
> >     > "published". It is not "citable" when played by the rules. It is
> not the
> >     > canonical work.
> >     >
> >     > [3] This is equivalent to the institutional repositories or open
> >     > archives. See eprints.org, hal.inria.fr, sw.deri.ie,
> dpsace.mit.edu,
> >     > svn.aksw.org, dataverse.org, ... arxiv.org, and many others.
> Already
> >     > paid by taxes or funded privately.
> >     >
> >     > [4] If authors want to have a "preprint" (and more) published
> online,
> >     > your institution most likely has you covered - also paid by your
> taxes.
> >     > Moreover, your institution probably provides a Webspace for you.
> Talk to
> >     > your department or library about your needs.
> >     >
> >     > [5] This journal required and maintained lowest standards for
> "Web" and
> >     > "Semantics" via desktop/print-centric solutions - nothing to do
> with the
> >     > native Web stack, but everything to do with fitting into Elsevier's
> >     > workflows and business. The Web Semantics journal *company* failed
> to
> >     > cultivate knowledge representation within its own realm since 2003.
> >     >
> >     > -Sarven
> >     > http://csarven.ca/#i
> >     >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alexander Garcia
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> >
>
> --
> Enrique Pérez Arnaud
>



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