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Re: With footnotes (was Re: Open Access to Journal of Web Semantics (JWS))

From: Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 11:11:43 +0200
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To: Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@cs.ox.ac.uk>
Cc: "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>
First two paragraphs about the important issue and then my response about
the pre print offered by the journal that Ian talks about.

Publishers are now taking on the pre prints very actively. I should say
here that pre prints owned by publishers are not in control of the
community. If this part of the infrastructure is also in control of service
providers then the only important asset that we researchers produce will be
100% controlled by someone else. Yes, I know that some people will argue
that papers are not the only asset that we produce. Unfortunately  papers
are the only asset that counts because everything in academia is paper
centric. We are witnessing how  little by little service providers take
control of everything we produce (all sorts of research objects). all the
assets and therefore all the generated value and by doing so they gain an
unnecessary influence in the market as a whole. They also have under
control the metrics derived from those assets. IMHO lab information
management systems, specialised gits, data repositories, etc must remain
under our control; simply because this is critical infrastructure.

Once again, if moving scholarly communication forward is the real objective
then we need a part of the infrastructure fully under our control. pre
prints maintained by universities are somewhat "rigid" and dont allow the
necessary  "hacking" that is needed in order to move away from the current
system.  IMHO the Open Science Framework (OSF) offers a viable alternative.
Perhaps not as decentralised as some would like but away enough from being
in control of some few service providers. Also, open enough as to make
experimentation easy. I see this OSF option as a platform for hacking and
that is why I have strongly argued that we, the semantic we and ontology
community, need a pre print server. hope this resonates with some people.

As for the pre print Ian talks about

The pre print is at
http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/index.php/ps/issue/archive and

 "The Preprint Server provides readers with free electronic access to
article preprints of the Journal of Web Semantics: Science, Services and
Agents on the World Wide Web at Elsevier."

so, what is the difference between a pre print and the final print? do u
have to pay in order to have a paper archived at the pre print? does this
pre print only archives papers published in the journal?

Also, having a DOI is not such a big deal; ZENODO, not a formal pre print
server, assigns DOIs to the things that u upload. So, if having a DOI is
such a big deal one could simply upload the paper to ZENODO, get the DOI
and then have it also anywhere else -yes, this is the decentralisation we
currently have.

Pre prints are much more flexible than what the journal that Ian talks
about offers, for instance:

"PsyArXiv provides support for multiple versions of a file, within-browser
rendering of manuscripts, inclusion of supplementary files, data, and code,
appropriate metadata, and links to resulting journal articles including

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Ian Horrocks <ian.horrocks@cs.ox.ac.uk>

> An important correction:
> Articles on the preprint server are post-review, and differ from the
> published version only w.r.t. formatting.
> Ian Horrocks
> Editor in Chief
> Journal of Web Semantics
> > On 8 Aug 2017, at 20:27, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
> >
> > On 2017-08-08 19:16, Ian Horrocks wrote:
> >> I would like to remind everyone that JWS provides free open access via
> its preprint server:
> >>
> >> http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/
> >>
> >> You can find there not only the latest articles but an archive of all
> articles published in the journal going back to Vol 1, No 1 (2003).
> >>
> >> Ian Horrocks
> >> Editor in Chief
> >> Journal of Web Semantics
> >
> >
> > I would like to remind everyone that JWS provides free [1] open access
> > via its preprint server [2]:
> >
> > http://www.websemanticsjournal.org/
> >
> > You can find there not only the latest articles but an archive [3] of
> > all articles published in the journal [4] going back to Vol 1, No 1
> > (2003) [5].
> >
> >
> > [1] Nothing is free and this is not a charity from Elsevier. Public
> > institutions/libraries that subscribe to Elsevier's service have already
> > paid for the "free" service. How much? Ask your head librarian about the
> > confidentiality clause.
> >
> > [2] These works precede peer-review and are not considered to be
> > "published". It is not "citable" when played by the rules. It is not the
> > canonical work.
> >
> > [3] This is equivalent to the institutional repositories or open
> > archives. See eprints.org, hal.inria.fr, sw.deri.ie, dpsace.mit.edu,
> > svn.aksw.org, dataverse.org, ... arxiv.org, and many others. Already
> > paid by taxes or funded privately.
> >
> > [4] If authors want to have a "preprint" (and more) published online,
> > your institution most likely has you covered - also paid by your taxes.
> > Moreover, your institution probably provides a Webspace for you. Talk to
> > your department or library about your needs.
> >
> > [5] This journal required and maintained lowest standards for "Web" and
> > "Semantics" via desktop/print-centric solutions - nothing to do with the
> > native Web stack, but everything to do with fitting into Elsevier's
> > workflows and business. The Web Semantics journal *company* failed to
> > cultivate knowledge representation within its own realm since 2003.
> >
> > -Sarven
> > http://csarven.ca/#i
> >

Alexander Garcia
Received on Wednesday, 9 August 2017 09:12:28 UTC

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