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Re: Cost and access (Was Re: [ESWC 2015] First Call for Paper)

From: Gray, Alasdair <A.J.G.Gray@hw.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:33:56 +0000
To: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>
CC: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>, "public-lod@w3.org" <public-lod@w3.org>, "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Message-ID: <3A895DC1ECD8DD4180D92AF10685733496565484@HW-MBX-02.hw.ac.uk>
On 3 Oct 2014 16:06, Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org> writes:
>
> > Let's work through the requirements and a plausible migration plan. We need:
> >
> > 1 persistent storage: it's hard to beat books for a feeling of persistence.
> > Contracts with trusted archival institutions can help but we might also
> > want some assurances that the protocols and formats will persist as well.
>
> In my area, the majority of journals aren't printed; I've thrown away
> conference proceedings the last decade anyway.
>
> Protocols and formats, yes, true a problem. I think in an argument
> between HTML and PDF, then it's hard to see one has the advantage over
> another. My experience is that HTML is easier to extract text from,
> which is always going to be base line.
>
> For what it is worth, there are achiving solutions, including
> archive.org and arxiv.org both of which leap to mind.
>
>
> > 2 impact factor: i have the impression that conventional publishers have a
> > bit of a monopoly and and sudden disruption would be hard to engineer. How
> > do to get leading researchers to devote their work in some new crackpot
> > e-journal to the exclusion of other articles which will earn them more
> > points towards tenure and grants? Perhaps the answer is slowly build the
> > impact factor; perhaps it's some sort of revolution in the minds of
> > administrators and funders.
>
> This is true. So, if the reason that ESWC and ISWC only accept papers in
> PDF is because we need LNCS for tenure and that they will only take PDF,
> it would be good to have a public statement about this.

I think PDF is only at the submission stage. For camera ready the source file (s) - latex or word - are required.

Also in this brave new world, how would the length of a submission be determined?

Alasdair

>
> As it stands, the only statement that the semantic web community are
> making is that web formats are too poor for scientific usage.
>
>
> > I work towards a network of actionable data just like the rest of you so I
> > don't want to discourage this conversation; I just want to focus it.
>
> Okay. I would like to know who made the decision that HTML is not
> acceptable and why.
>
> Phil
>


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