Re: scientific publishing process (was Re: Cost and access)

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Peter F. Patel-Schneider <
pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote:

> One problem with allowing HTML submission is ensuring that reviewers can
> correctly view the submission as the authors intended it to be viewed.  How
> would you feel if your paper was rejected because one of the reviewers
> could not view portions of it?  At least with PDF there is a reasonably
> good chance that every paper can be correctly viewed by all its reviewers,
> even if they have to print it out.  I don't think that the same claim can
> be made for HTML-based systems.
>


The majority of journals I'm familiar with mandates a certain format for
submission: font size, figure format, etc. So, in a HTML format submission,
there should be rules as well, a standard CSS and the right elements and
classes. Not different from getting a word(c) or latex template.



> Web conference vitally use the web in their reviewing and publishing
> processes.  Doesn't that show their allegiance to the web?  Would the use
> of HTML make a conference more webby?


As someone said, this is leading by example.


dfcp



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> peter
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> On 10/03/2014 09:11 AM, Phillip Lord wrote:
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>> In my opinion, the opposite is true. PDF I almost always end up printing
>> out. This isn't the point though.
>>
>> Necessity is the mother of invention. In the ideal world, a web
>> conference would allow only HTML submission. Failing that, at least HTML
>> submission. But, currently, we cannot submit HTML at all. What is the
>> point of creating a better method, if we can't use it?
>>
>> The only argument that seems at all plausible to me is, well, we've
>> always done it like this, and it's too much effort to change. I could
>> appreciate that.
>>
>> Anyway, the argument is going round in circles.
>>
>> "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfpschneider@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>  In my opinion PDF is currently the clear winner over HTML in both the
>>> ability
>>> to produce readable documents and the ability to display readable
>>> documents in
>>> the way that the author wants them to display.  In the past I have tried
>>> various means to produce good-looking HTML and I've always gone back to a
>>> setup that produces PDF.  If a document is available in both HTML and
>>> PDF I
>>> almost always choose to view it in PDF.  This is the case even though I
>>> have
>>> particular preferences in how I view documents.
>>>
>>> If someone wants to change the format of conference submissions, then
>>> they are
>>> going to have to cater to the preferences of authors, like me, and
>>> reviewers,
>>> like me.  If someone wants to change the format of conference papers,
>>> then
>>> they are going to have to cater to the preferences of authors, like me,
>>> attendees, like me, and readers, like me.
>>>
>>> I'm all for *better* methods for preparing, submitting, reviewing, and
>>> publishing conference (and journal) papers.  So go ahead, create one.
>>> But
>>> just saying that HTML is better than PDF in some dimension, even if it
>>> were
>>> true, doesn't mean that HTML is better than PDF for this purpose.
>>>
>>> So I would say that the semantic web community is saying that there are
>>> better
>>> formats and tools for creating, reviewing, and publishing scientific
>>> papers
>>> than HTML and tools that create and view HTML.  If there weren't these
>>> better
>>> ways then an HTML-based solution might be tenable, but why use a worse
>>> solution when a better one is available?
>>>
>>> peter
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On 10/03/2014 08:02 AM, Phillip Lord wrote:
>>> [...]
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>>>>
>>>> As it stands, the only statement that the semantic web community are
>>>> making is that web formats are too poor for scientific usage.
>>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil
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