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Re: Is science on sale this week?

From: Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:58:04 +0200
Message-ID: <CALAe=OL2M7hNQ-553sf62oFZvC-H7w16fDPVA+BrZbiUpP941Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Andrea Splendiani <andrea.splendiani@iscb.org>
Cc: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>, beyond-the-pdf@googlegroups.com, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca>, Linking Open Data <public-lod@w3.org>, SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
not sure if they pay. I know we do pay, and with current prices I
would expect conferences like ESWC and ISWC should be able to support
a more open policy. The ISWC2013 proceedings are not free of charge,
see http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3

this is my issue with the whole business model, we write for free, we
review for free, and then we pay to consume the content we generate.
in a time when content is king we are giving it away for free.

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Andrea Splendiani
<andrea.splendiani@iscb.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Do you actually know that Springer is paying something ?
> I don't think publishers pay, usually.
>
> best,
> Andrea
>
> Il giorno 14/mag/2013, alle ore 10:51, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) ha scritto:
>
>>
>>
>> Dump Springer, and just publish the results on arXiv. If ESWC cannot
>> organise a conference at 800 Euro a pop, without cash from Springer,
>> then perhaps they should try getting a cheaper venue.
>>
>> Better still, let's separate out the committees, the publication, and
>> the conference. The committees can look at papers, they can all be
>> published on arxiv. And people who want can go to the conference.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes:
>>> the question is simple. both, eswc and iswc are prominent conferences
>>> because of a serious review process, a well structured set of
>>> committees working hard at the time of organization... but most of
>>> all, because we the community have accepted both conferences to be
>>> important. this will not change. so my point is, are publishers
>>> contributing with money,  serious money, to the organization of the
>>> conferences? how are they buying and how are we selling the
>>> publication rights? If tomorrow there were no springer how much would
>>> that affect the finances of eswc and iswc? substantially? why not
>>> enforcing an open publication policy for iswc and eswc? why not
>>> selling publication rights as a bidding process?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Rowe, Matthew <m.rowe@lancaster.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> As authors of accepted papers, don't we have the right to disseminate our
>>>> work as a pre-prints anyway? I just put mine online anyway, and always have
>>>> done (and will do) for people to download and read.
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 10:12, Phillip Lord wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ISWC and ESWC are a particular problem because they are both Springer. I
>>>>> pulled my paper from publication last year, as they would not do an open
>>>>> access option.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, with the situation as it stands, I cannot publish any semantic web
>>>>> research in either of these two conferences.
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil
>>>>>
>>>>> Alexander Garcia Castro <alexgarciac@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> conferences are important on their own. for instance, right now the
>>>>>> ISWC is an important conference regardless of the publisher of the
>>>>>> proceedings. if I wanted to get the 2012 proceedings I may have to pay
>>>>>> (http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-35172-3). do
>>>>>> publishers pay the ISWC organizers for the right to publish the
>>>>>> proceedings? I mean, as things are now the ISWC brings people to
>>>>>> springer, not the other way around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Leon Derczynski <leon@dcs.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Reliable dissemination.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CEUR-WS, ACL Anthology et al. do a valuable, critical job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13 May 2013 17:25, Sarven Capadisli <info@csarven.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we subscribe to science, free and open access to knowledge, what's the
>>>>>>>> purpose of the arrangement between conferences and publishers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Sarven
>>>>>>>> http://csarven.ca/#i
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>> Research Associate, NLP Group
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>>>>> University of Sheffield
>>>>>>> Regent Court, 211 Portobello
>>>>>>> Sheffield S1 4DP, UK
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> Phillip Lord,                           Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827
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>> School of Computing Science,            http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord
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