- From: Leon Derczynski <leon@dcs.shef.ac.uk>
- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 14:27:17 +0200
- To: Norman Gray <norman@astro.gla.ac.uk>
- Cc: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>, semantic-web@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CAPjwwFo8mfn=Ws9_-przpXdcY3eZ2CBbunnpq=DmJgf+Zann6A@mail.gmail.com>
Is it possible to separate the concrete content of this mailing lists (e.g. calls, announcements, interesting new work) from abstract steering/introspective activites? The latter are not of interest to everyone, and the ability to receive the former need not be dependent on receiving other material. tl;dr this seems off-topic, is there a better place for this kind of musing? On 18 June 2013 11:58, Norman Gray <norman@astro.gla.ac.uk> wrote: > > Greetings. > > On 2013 Jun 17, at 06:26, David Booth wrote: > > > If the term Linked Data is "hijacked" by a broader population to mean > *any* sort of data that is linked -- not necessarily RDF -- then this will > be a major loss to the Semantic Web community, because it is very hard to > come up with simple ways to communicate the essence of the Semantic Web. > The Linked Data meme has been extremely helpful. If the RDF component is > lost, we will have lost the best meme we have ever had for explaining the > Semantic Web. > > Exactly this! > > Short version: LD is SW propaganda -- it's more important that it be > simple and consistent than that it be precise. > > 'Linked Data' is (clearly, to me) an explanation/practice/meme/movement > rather than a precise technology, and I think it is a waste of time to > obsess about a precise definition. > > I've given a couple of lectures on 'the semantic web and linked data' to > librarians/archivists/museum people. They're interested^Wobsessed by > structured information, but largely uninterested in technology as such. > They rather glaze when I talk about RDF and ontologies, but they _get_ > Linked Data when I phrase it as 'the linked data web is the web for > machines; it has the same good/bad/pragmatic sociotechnical features as the > human-readable web, but because it's all RDF rather than all HTML, the > machines can follow their noses just like we can on the human-readable web'. > > Phrased like that, or something like it, they can imagine its use in their > practice, and why it's important. They get that the Semantic Web is this > plus computing scientists. > > I think that's a win, but it depends absolutely on being able to give a > really clean description (as opposed to a definition) of what 'linked data' > is, and I think it's vital that that description is consistent, and > consistently simple, whenever they look around for other material about it. > > Explaining that the RDF doesn't have to look much like RDF, and might even > look like JSON, talking about underlying data models, and everything else, > are all true; but they are technical details which should be avoided as > irrelevant in most conversations about LD, and which are thus actively > counterproductive. > > Pat Hayes said: > > >> If this turned out to be the case, I'd be somewhat confused, being left > without a vocabulary term to describe RDF's underlying paradigm, and little > if any differentiation between the terms Semantic Web and Linked Data. > > > > Seems to me that being somewhat confused about the distinction between > SWeb and LD is pretty normal. Maybe we should all agree to be slightly > confused and be happy about that. > > Yes: anyone who implements a LD solution probably knows about the SW > anyway, so the distinction doesn't much matter; anyone who isn't > implementing something just needs the motivation, and so doesn't care about > the distinction either. So precision is less important than expository > simplicity and consistency. > > All the best, > > Norman > > > -- > Norman Gray : http://nxg.me.uk > SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK > > > -- Leon R A Derczynski Research Associate, NLP Group Department of Computer Science University of Sheffield Regent Court, 211 Portobello Sheffield S1 4DP, UK +45 5157 4948 http://www.dcs.shef.ac.uk/~leon/
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