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Re: Yosemite Manifesto on RDF as a Universal Healthcare Exchange Language

From: Paul <pjalagna@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 01:47:43 -0400
Cc: Peter.Hendler@kp.org, brunni@netestate.de, david@dbooth.org, public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org, semantic-web@w3.org
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To: Carl Mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>, conor-dowling@caregraf.com
All;
"No data arrangement is forced on you when you expose what you have" - i disagree. the very act of exposure presumes a model, presumes rules of exposure, and relationships in that exposure. this is the data about the data that explains the data (the meta meta meta data) RDF exposes only a few rules and only a few relationships. so you can have a freer model to express yourself. BUT it comes at a price. you have to first embed the model into RDF. ie tell RDF what rules and relationships will be followed above those implied by RDF.

leaving any level out (and many do) leaves us with a collection of disconnected facts - a list of words.

my argument has been that RDF should be timeless. new entries should have the ability to be entered in real time.  parsing a file to find the right spot within the proper collection defeats the real strengths of RDF. the "model" can be imposed on the facts (on the facts thus far collected) at any time. if new relationships are entered RDF should have the ability to re-establish the "model" (the model thus far collected)

Paul Alagna - 732 322 5641
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On Jun 7, 2013, at 2:41 PM, carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com> wrote:

> sentiments that you agree with 
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> From: Conor Dowling <conor-dowling@caregraf.com>
> Date: Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 2:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Yosemite Manifesto on RDF as a Universal Healthcare Exchange Language
> To: Peter.Hendler@kp.org
> Cc: brunni@netestate.de, david@dbooth.org, public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org, semantic-web@w3.org
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> (David - correct me if I'm wrong here).
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> The emphasis of the health-care sessions at SemTech was on RDF to "surface your semantics" (Charlie Mead's phrase), as one medium for both data and schema. 
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> No data arrangement is forced on you when you expose what you have. As David said at SemTech, "RDF is schema-promiscuous". If you want to overlay RIM-based ontologies, then that's for you as either consumer or publisher. 
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> So the goal here is NOT to solve the world's semantic issues - it's to surface them in an excellent "links and labels" medium. No more RRF, RF2, XML this or that for data, CDA or otherwise vs a separate medium (UML) for schemas - one medium, RDF, for everything. That alone is a great step forward.
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> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:10 AM, <Peter.Hendler@kp.org> wrote:
> And everyone makes there own SNOMED and HL7.  I don't know.  We all basically agreed to "a model" when making SNOMED. It would never have worked if everyone could make their own roles. 
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> From:        Michael Brunnbauer <brunni@netestate.de> 
> To:        Peter Hendler/CA/KAIPERM@KAIPERM 
> Cc:        david@dbooth.org, public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org, semantic-web@w3.org 
> Date:        06/07/2013 11:01 AM 
> Subject:        Re: Yosemite Manifesto on RDF as a Universal Healthcare Exchange Language 
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> Hello Peter,
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> On Fri, Jun 07, 2013 at 10:44:55AM -0700, Peter.Hendler@kp.org wrote:
> > We'll still argue about whether we use SNOMED roles, make HL7 rim classes 
> > and roles or openEHR or something else.
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> Asking for a single extensive ontology about the world - or even about a
> limited subject - that suits all needs is a bit naive.
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> The nice thing about RDF is that you can have all of them in a single triple
> store, map them onto each other and make up your own roles if none of them
> suit you.
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> Regards,
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