Re: My best practices for Ontology versioning for http://nlp2rdf.org, was Re: Versioning system for ontologies

On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Daniel Garijo <dgarijo@fi.upm.es> wrote:

> Hi, I'm not sure I see the issue here.
>
>
> 2013/4/22 Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
>
>>  Hm, no actually, this issue is quite easy, when it comes to large
>> databases.
>>
>> curl -H "Accept: text/turtle"
>> "http://dbpedia.org/ontology#PopulatedPlace"<http://dbpedia.org/ontology#PopulatedPlace>
>> is pretty much the same as:
>> curl -H "Accept: text/turtle" "http://dbpedia.org/ontology"<http://dbpedia.org/ontology>
>>
>
Wrong comparison, what you would want is

 "http://dbpedia.org/ontology/PopulatedPlace#class"<http://dbpedia.org/ontology>

or #it or #_ or whatever you like.

So hash URIs work just fine even in large namespaces, you just take what
would have been the / URI were you to choose the bizarre / URI pattern, and
append a fragid to it. Basically there is no reason to ever use non-# URIs
in RDF other than aesthetics (which is irrelevant in contexts mainly meant
for machine consumption) and when naming documents that are on the web and
don't have a metadata page.

Jonathan


>
>> But here you are not asking for any instance. You are asking for a
> document
> where the ontology is defined.
>
>>
>> So my questions are:
>>
>> 1. What do you think is the expected output of
>> http://dbpedia.org/ontology ? 300 million triples as turtle?
>>
> No. You would see the description of the ontology. In DB-pedia they
> haven't done such redirection because
> they are exposing both terms and classes with Pubby. But note that when
> you look for a term, no instances
> are returned.
>
>  2. How do you query all instances of type db-ont:PopulatedPlace via
>> Linked Data ?
>>
> Via a SPARQL query:
> select ?instance where{
> ?instance a db-ont:PopulatedPlace.
> }
> If you don't want all the instances, then add a "LIMIT". That is why they
> have a public endpoint, right?
>
> Another example. The recent PROV-O Ontology (with namespace URI
> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#).
> If I have an endpoint with many prov:Entities published and I want them, I
> can perform a query
> as the one I did above. If I want to see the documentation of the term,
> then I would ask for
> http://www.w3.org/ns/prov#Entity and I would be redirected to it.
> Doing an accept request for turtle to an ontology term would return the
> owl file of the ontology,
> not the instances of that term.
>
> Best,
> Daniel
>
>>
>> q.e.d from my point of view, as you wouldn't get around these practical
>> problems.
>>
>> -- Sebastian
>>
>> Am 22.04.2013 11:50, schrieb Daniel Garijo:
>>
>>  Dear Sebastian,
>>  This statement:
>> "When you publish ontologies without data, you can use '#' . However, if
>> you want to query instances via Linked Data in a database, you have to use
>> '/' as DBpedia does for classes:
>> http://dbpedia.org/ontology/PopulatedPlace"
>>
>> is not correct. You can use "#" to query instances via Linked Data
>> databases. That is just the URI of the type. In fact if DBpedia had chosen
>>
>> "http://dbpedia.org/ontology#PopulatedPlace<http://dbpedia.org/ontology/PopulatedPlace>"
>> instead of its current URI it would still be fine. It doesn't affect the
>> query.
>>
>> I'm not going to enter in the debate of "# vs /", but normally it is a
>> design decission that has to do more with the size of vocabularies than the
>> instances.
>>
>> Best,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> 2013/4/22 Sebastian Hellmann <hellmann@informatik.uni-leipzig.de>
>>
>>>  Dear all,
>>>
>>> personally, I have been working on this for quite a while and for me the
>>> best and easiest way is as documented here:
>>> https://github.com/NLP2RDF/persistence.uni-leipzig.org#readme
>>>
>>> They are simple and effective and I couldn't imagine anything more.
>>>
>>> Note that I have also secured persistent hosting for the URIs (also an
>>> important point).
>>> Feedback welcome, of course.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Sebastian
>>> Ontology:
>>> http://persistence.uni-leipzig.org/nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core#
>>>  # vs /
>>>
>>> When you publish ontologies without data, you can use '#' . However, if
>>> you want to query instances via Linked Data in a database, you have to use
>>> '/' as DBpedia does for classes:
>>> http://dbpedia.org/ontology/PopulatedPlace
>>>  <https://github.com/NLP2RDF/persistence.uni-leipzig.org#workflow>
>>> Workflow
>>>
>>>    1. I edit the ontologies in turtle syntax with the Geany text editor
>>>    (or a Turtle editor
>>>    http://blog.aksw.org/2013/xturtle-turtle-editing-the-eclipse-way ),
>>>    This allows me to make developers comments using "#" directly in the
>>>    source, see e.g. nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core.ttl
>>>    2. When I am finished I use rapper (
>>>    http://librdf.org/raptor/rapper.html) to convert it to rdfxml (
>>>    nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core.owl )
>>>    3. I am versioning the ontologies in a folder with the version
>>>    number, e.g. version-1.0 If somebody wants to find old ontologies, she can
>>>    find them in the GitHub repository, which is linked from the ontology. I
>>>    assume this is not often required, but it is nice to keep old versions. The
>>>    old versions should be linked to in the comment of the ontology, see the
>>>    header of nif-core.ttl
>>>    4. Then I use git push to push the changes to our server
>>>    5. (not yet) I use a simple OWL2HTML generator, e.g.
>>>    https://github.com/specgen/specgen
>>>    6. add yourself to http://prefix.cc, see e.g. http://prefix.cc/nif
>>>    7. The versions are switched and published by these .htaccess rules,
>>>    e.g.
>>>    RewriteRule .(owl|rdf|html|ttl|nt|txt|md)$ - [L]
>>>    # (in progress) RewriteCond %{HTTP_ACCEPT} text/html
>>>    # (in progress) RewriteRule ^nif-core$
>>>    /nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core/version-1.0/nif-core.html [R=303,L]
>>>
>>>    RewriteCond %{HTTP_ACCEPT} application/rdf+xml
>>>    RewriteRule ^nif-core$
>>>    /nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core/version-1.0/nif-core.owl [R=303,L]
>>>
>>>    RewriteRule ^nif-core$
>>>    /nlp2rdf/ontologies/nif-core/version-1.0/nif-core.ttl [R=303,L]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 19.04.2013 16:05, schrieb Prateek:
>>>
>>>  Hello all,
>>>
>>>  I am trying to identify a system which will provide versioning and
>>> revision control capabilities specifically for ontologies. Does anyone have
>>> any experience and idea about which systems can help out or if systems like
>>> SVN, CVS can do the job?
>>>
>>>  Regards
>>>
>>>  Prateek
>>>
>>>  --
>>>
>>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>> Prateek Jain, Ph. D.
>>> RSM
>>> IBM T.J. Watson Research Center
>>> 1101 Kitchawan Road, 37-244
>>> Yorktown Heights, NY 10598
>>> Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/prateekj
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>>> Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
>>> Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org ,
>>> http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
>>> Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
>>> Research Group: http://aksw.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dipl. Inf. Sebastian Hellmann
>> Department of Computer Science, University of Leipzig
>> Projects: http://nlp2rdf.org , http://linguistics.okfn.org ,
>> http://dbpedia.org/Wiktionary , http://dbpedia.org
>> Homepage: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/SebastianHellmann
>> Research Group: http://aksw.org
>>
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