- From: Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:52:24 +0100
- To: Adrian Walker <adriandwalker@gmail.com>
- Cc: SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
(sorry, message was truncated, resending)
> Adrian
> thank you-
>
>
>> Actually, you can specify SQL data endpoints on the web in the rules that
>> define an application. The English explanations then provide provenance.
>> Please see [2] for an example.
>
> ah, that's good - could be useful then
in which case i think a streamlined process via an simple interface
such as (for example)
>
>
> 1. RETRIEVE ALL INSTANCES OF (VARIABLE)
and (VARIABLE2) ETC
> WHERE (VARIABLE) IS (ENTITY)
> OR WHERE VARIABLE IS (RELATION)
>
> 2. FROM url ( ENDPOINT, OR INDEX OF ENDPOINTS)
> /// trying to work out if what Marco sent serves this purpose?)
(query refinement options)
3. RETURN RESULT AS (HTML, RDF, OWL WHATNOT)
4. SORT RESULT AS (options)
5. DISPLAY RESULT AS (layout options)
-------------------------------------
Is that too much to ask?
>> SPARQL needs to stabilize a bit further, so for now we normally pull the
>> triples needed into a local store.
can we pull the triples into a normalised /stabilised web based store
so that they can be reused by others?:-)
(not sure if it makes sense)
PDM
>>
>> Thanks for further comments.
>>
>> Adrian Walker, Reengineering
>>
>>
>> [1] Internet Business Logic
>>
>> A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A over SQL
>> and RDF
>> Online at www.reengineeringllc.com
>> Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements
>>
>> [2]
>> www.reengineeringllc.com/Oil_Industry_Supply_Chain_by_Kowalski_and_Walker.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you very much Adrian and Daniel
>>>
>>> (hoping not to bore the list too much with this topic)
>>>
>>> Gives a quick glimpse into the stato of the art perhaps,
>>> I seem to recall I must have gotten a similar set of pointers in the
>>> past, but the offers seem to have marginally evolved, which is
>>> great.(takes time)
>>>
>>> wouldnt google and yahoo also have something to share?
>>>
>>> [backend thoughts:
>>> . to query SQL it is necessary to know at least in part the underlying
>>> schema, but I think I heard that to query SPARQL one may not require
>>> knowing the schema, yet I have not yet figured out how can that
>>> be.done actually. think more)
>>>
>>> Adrian- the process you outline below worked for me, thanks I think
>>> it shows a proof of concept better than last time I looked into your
>>> engine.(if I remember correctly)
>>> a bit long and constrained, and perhaps still too manual -
>>> if you could rewire it a bit to allow a user to push just one button
>>> to get to the bottom of the query
>>> and most importantly, to point to the open web (I gather the knowledge
>>> your system is currently querying is stored somewhere, rather than
>>> being fetched dynamically). keep it up?
>>>
>>> Daniel - explorator looks sleek and sophisticated, thanks
>>> have not yet had the bandwidth to look at the video. assuming it
>>> works, it would be great if, in a similar point as with Hugh and
>>> Adrian, if a *higher level* interface would allow a user to get
>>> something out without having to be trained in the system
>>>
>>> It looks like the intuitive semantic web interfaces need doing!
>>> (also referencing other posts that are coming up)
>>>
>>> will think how best to channel energies in this direction
>>>
>>> thank ou
>>>
>>> PDM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Adrian Walker <adriandwalker@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi Paola,
>>> >
>>> > You wrote...
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > is there a visual input screen where the search/query values can be
>>> > entered/modified?
>>> >
>>> > You may like to run the example called RDFQueryLangComparison1 on our
>>> > site.
>>> > When you choose a question to ask, you get a window in which you can
>>> > open
>>> > pull-down lists of suggested values to enter in order to focus the
>>> > question.
>>> >
>>> > To run the example, please:
>>> >
>>> > 1. Point a Firefox or Chrome browser to
>>> > http://www.reengineeringllc.com
>>> >
>>> > 2. Click on Internet Business Logic
>>> >
>>> > 3. Click the GO button
>>> >
>>> > 4. Select RDFQueryLangComparison1 from the list in the middle of
>>> > the
>>> > page
>>> >
>>> > 5. Check that the action at the top of the page says
>>> > "Choose an agent and Go to its Question menu"
>>> >
>>> > 6. Click the Go button
>>> >
>>> > 7. You should now see a Question Menu
>>> >
>>> > 8. Click on the first sentence
>>> >
>>> > 9. You should now see a new window with an "Ask" button
>>> >
>>> > 10. Click the Ask button (or optionally first open one of the
>>> > pulldown
>>> > lists of values to focus the question)
>>> >
>>> > 11. You should now see an Answer Table
>>> >
>>> > 12. Click on "Go To the Question Menu" hold down the mouse button,
>>> > select "Get an Explanation of the Selected Line" and release
>>> > the
>>> > button
>>> >
>>> > 13. You should now see a step-by-step explanation of how the
>>> > system
>>> > used the rules and facts in the example to get the answer
>>> >
>>> > 14. Click on "Go to the Answer Page" hold down the mouse button,
>>> > select "Go to View or Change the Agent" and release the button
>>> >
>>> > 15. You should now see the application "program" that you have
>>> > just
>>> > used.
>>> > It's written in Executable English, and it's editable.
>>> > (If you'd like to make changes, please make a copy first,
>>> > using
>>> > the
>>> > menu on the start page, then make changes only to your copy.)
>>> >
>>> > 16. Please use the Help button on each page to see how to navigate
>>> > further
>>> >
>>> > 17. The tutorials show how to write and run your own examples.
>>> >
>>> > I hope this helps. Thanks for comments and questions.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -- Adrian
>>> >
>>> > Internet Business Logic
>>> > A Wiki and SOA Endpoint for Executable Open Vocabulary English Q/A over
>>> > SQL
>>> > and RDF
>>> > Online at www.reengineeringllc.com
>>> > Shared use is free, and there are no advertisements
>>> >
>>> > Adrian Walker
>>> > Reengineering
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Thank you v much, Marco and Hugh
>>> >>
>>> >> I just recalled that I must have asked the same question before, and
>>> >> probably ask the same question at regular intervals (3-5 years?)
>>> >> (loop)
>>> >>
>>> >> Indeed Roberto Garcia mentioned he picked up on the request a while
>>> >> back (just remembered what is it that he and I talked about when we
>>> >> met) and we discussed briefly its design/ implementation in 2009. but
>>> >> it requires a download? thats not a web service is it? (sorry I have
>>> >> reasons not to download stuff if possible)
>>> >>
>>> >> ... I d like to test the web service when it comes available... keep us
>>> >> informed
>>> >>
>>> >> HUGH
>>> >>
>>> >> the link you sent looks good (in the sense that i can see something
>>> >> and i can click on the links) but it looks like the output of a query
>>> >> rather than the input,
>>> >>
>>> >> how was this output obtained?
>>> >>
>>> >> is there a visual input screen where the search/query values can be
>>> >> entered/modified? (thats what I am looking for)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> PDM
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Hi Marco,
>>> >> > Thanks for the shout out for rkbexplorer
>>> >> > I'm not sure it is the sort of thing Paola is talking about.
>>> >> > But in case you are interested we have a new user interface version
>>> >> > of
>>> >> > the RKB knowledge over at
>>> >> > http://www.dotac.info/explorer/
>>> >> > Best
>>> >> > Hugh
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 18 Aug 2012, at 14:03, Marco Neumann <marco.neumann@gmail.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> take a look at the Rhizomer tool
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://www.meetup.com/The-San-Francisco-Semantic-Web-Meetup/events/72935902/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> and the RKBExplorer
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://www.rkbexplorer.com
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Paola Di Maio
>>> >> >> <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> I have been thinking, why isnt there a web service that allows
>>> >> >> users
>>> >> >> to carry out supported sparql queries
>>> >> >> by having an HTML front end where users can simply input the
>>> >> >> variables
>>> >> >> as text, and let the service compose the query
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> this would, in theory, enable anyone to query specific urls, or
>>> >> >> search
>>> >> >> open web via the usual search indexes for data published in OWL/RDF.
>>> >> >> or at least try
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> lot of interesting papers that tackle the subject, but no URL for
>>> >> >> such a web service
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=natural+language+interface+for+sparql+web+service&oq=natural+language+interface+for+sparql+web+service&gs_l=hp.3...59522.61537.2.61657.12.12.0.0.0.0.589.2703.0j4j1j1j2j1.9.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.4xjzkXaA4RQ&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=648acda22bf0fc4e&biw=1016&bih=626
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> would this approach crack at least some of the SW challenges?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> anything already in the works that can be tested?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> any specific issues that should prevent this approach to be
>>> >> >> feasible?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thank you very much
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> pdm
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ---
>>> >> >> Marco Neumann
>>> >> >> KONA
>>> >> >>
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>>> >>
>>> >
>>
>>
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