Re: Hackers -- Re: Schema.org considered helpful

On 18 Jun 2011, at 16:44, Paola Di Maio wrote:

> Henry
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> thanks for asking, would be of course glad to contribute
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> For me evangelization begins with learning and understanding, then telling others what I have learned
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> I must say that I kind of lost track of social semantic web development shortly after staring making sense of foaf , although I have been waiting to hear whats the latest and how to contribute :-) 
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> I see people running around doing different bits and its difficult to keep track of what people are up to
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> If I remember correctly we are waiting for a talk by Harry to the rescheduled here in Edinburgh on the topic :-)
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> I have looked at the video, and not read the documentation
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>  things I do not understand:
>  what is exactly WEBID for? 
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It allows you to authenticate in one click to a web site without having to enter a username or password. It allows you to authenticate like this to a web site you have never been to before. And it makes it easy to tie into the linked data web, so that the site you logged into can find out who your friends are if you allow them to.

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> what is the cryptostick? (any normal flash drive? or a special one?)

A flash drive with some built in hardware crypto. As the video shows that still needs work. That is more for showing the direction things can go in.

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> at the end it shows I can update my status, in what way
> is this webid thing like twitter?

WebID is not like Twitter. It allows you to login to other sites. Twitter is a web service. WebID is an authentication mechanism. Go over the first part of the video again, and it will explain how that ties into the Social Web.

For a longer overview, if you can deal with a bit of philosophy, see the "Philosophy and the Social Web"
  http://www.slideshare.net/bblfish/philosophy-and-the-social-web-5583083

That will show how all this ties into linked data.

> We could initially easily do a series of q/a to make webid clearer, when we understand what it is and how its supposed to work, we can disseminate/evangelise and contribute to development accordingly

Hope that helps,

	Henry

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> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:
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> On 18 Jun 2011, at 14:38, Paola Di Maio wrote:
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>> And whatever suggestion could have contributed to clarify issues, was dismissed in the first place. (or buried in pointless speculative arguments about anything that could possibly bring the discussions to tackle the real issues)
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>> I could not believe that such large projects were being planned, funded and delivered with such obvious flaws built in (more obvious to some than others perhaps). I am sure i have posted a list of SW systemic flaws somewhere. 
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> I have been working on the Social Web for a while as you know, with the aim of building things that could be immediately useful for millions of people. But of course it does require everyone to pitch in a bit - being social distributed framework. For example we need more people with WebIDs if we are going to be able to build fun services to use those, and so build a linked data based social web.  We need those profiles to be tied together and be easy to link up. None of that is rocket science.
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> I am busy hacking on clerezza.org (an apache incubator project) to show off some cool demos of what one can do with this. But of course we need more people to join us. It would help if the W3C or other organisations provided everyone of its members with a webid, so that we could then add simple authentication to different apps and start collaborating together.
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> What do you think? Is there some way you can help us evangelise this simple yet practical aspect of the semantic web that could help every body? 
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> Henry
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> PS. latest WebID in 8 minutes:
>   http://bblfish.net/blog/2011/05/25/
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