- From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:09:18 -0400
- To: Linked Data community <public-lod@w3.org>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
I've been watching the community response to schema.org for the last bit of time. Overall, I think we should clarify why people are upset. First, there should be no reason to be upset that the major search engines went off and created their own vocabularies. According to the argument of decentralized extensibility, schema.org *exactly* what Google/Yahoo!/Microsoft are supposed to be doing. It's a straightfoward site that clearly for how the average Web developer can use structured data in markup to solve real-world use-cases and provides examples. That's the entire vision of the Semantic Web, let a thousand ontologies bloom with no central control. The reason people are upset are that they didn't use RDFa, but instead used microdata. One *cannot* argue that Google is ignoring open standards. RDFa and microdata are *both* Last Call W3C Working Drafts now. RDFa 1.0 is a spec but only for XHTML 1.0, which is not what most of the Web uses. Microdata does have RDF parsing bugs, but again, most developers outside the Semantic Web probably don't care - they want JSON anyways. Form what I understand from tevents where Rich Snippets team has presented is that RDFa is simply too complicated for ordinary web developers to use. Google has been deploying Rich Snippets for two years, claim to have user-studies and have experience with a large user-base. This user-driven feedback should be taken on board by both relevant WGs obviously, HTML and RDFa. Designing technology without user-feedback leads to odd results (for proof, see many of the fun and exiciting "httpRange-14" discussions). Which is also why many practical developers do not use the technology. But realistically, it's not the RDFa WG's job to do user-studies and build compelling user-experiences in products. They are only a few people. Why has the *hundreds* of people in the Semantic Web community not done such work? The fact of the matter is that the Semantic Web academic community has had their priorities skewed to the wrong direction. Had folks been spending time doing usability testing and focussing on user-feedback on common problems (such as the rather obvious "vocabulary hosting" problem) rather than focussing on things with little to no support with the world outside academia, then we probably would not be in the situation we are in today. Today, major companies such as Microsoft (oData) and Google (microdata) are jumping on the "open data" bandwagon but finding the RDF stack unacceptable. Some of it may be a "not invented here" syndrome, but as anyone who has actually looked at RDF/XML can tell you, some of it is hard-to-deny technical reasoning by companies that have decided that "open data" is a great market but do not agree with the technical choices made by the Semantic Web stack. This is not to say good things can't come out of the academic community - the *internet* came out of the academic community. But seriously, at some point (think of the role of Netscape in getting the Web going with the magic of images) commercial companies enter the game. We should be happy now search engines are seeing value in structured data on the Web. I would suggest the Semantic Web community take on-board the "microdata" challenge in two different ways. First of all, start focussing on user-studies and user experience (not just visual interfaces, the Semantic Web has more than its share of user-hostile visual interfaces). It's harder to publish academic papers on these topics but possible (see SIGCHI), and would help a lot with actual deployment. Second, we should start focussing more on actual empirical data-driven feedback, both on what parts of RDF are being used and common mistakes. With indexes such as the Billion Triple Challenge and Sindice's index, we can actually do that with the Semantic Web. Third, why not actually try to get RDF - or "open data more broadly" into the browser in usable manner? Tabulator may be a step in the right direction, but the user experience needs work. Fourth, why not start a company and try to deliver products to actual end-users and give that feedback to the wider community and W3C WGs (and if you already work for an actual SemWeb company, please send your feedback from user studies to the WG before Last Call)? I believe the Semantic Web research community - which still has tons of funding and lots of passion - can make the Web better. Schema.org is not a threat. It's an opportunity to step up. Good luck everyone! cheers, harry P.S.: Note this opinions are purely personal and held as an individual.
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