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Re: Enquire - WWW - Semantic Desktop/PersonalDataWiki? do you agree?

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:51:28 +0100
Message-ID: <AANLkTikc7d1y4A6Rs1md=i0AVDarTeK38hzPbrzZHxcr@mail.gmail.com>
To: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@gnowsis.com>
Cc: SWIG <semantic-web@w3.org>, Juan Sequeda <juanfederico@gmail.com>
On 22 November 2010 11:43, Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@gnowsis.com> wrote:
> Hi Melvin, Juan, SWIG
>
> (I took timbl now out of cc as he didn't react... will ping him somehow on
> #swig about it)
>
> Juan:
> my pitch starts with "Hello, my name is Leo Sauermann and I can't remember
> anything... (dramatic pause for people to feel - ahhh.mee to)... thats why I
> write down things on my computer. But then I don't find them when I need
> them.."
> This evolved over 8 years of pitching, it quite works ;-)
> but yes - I only mention "semantic" once in my pitch. We learned that too.
> The salespeople from ontoprise.de (one of the oldest companies in our
> sector) also use "searching" more than "semantics".
>
> Melvin: ha, frivolity is welcome, you answered in the right tone. Life isn't
> as serious as they think ;-)

:)

>
> Where did you find that one?
> http://www.w3.org/2007/09/map/main.jpg

To understand the map, check out this talk from TimBL, one of my favourites!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_2YWiaPJ6A

> On the map - I fear that mountain where Ted Nelson sits at the end of
> Xanadu....read the last words of that article:
> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/3.06/xanadu.html
> But again, Enquire misses on the map.
>
> Thanks for the Warren Buffet comparison, I can use that.
>
> URIs: right, they are the second important part

The article in scientific american this week also talks about
universality.  TimBL explained it quite succinctly on one call:  'It's
about global variables.  When you add global variables to some
programming languages, they fall apart.  When you add them to
hypertext, you get The Web'.  He makes it sound so easy! :)

> I didn't really understand how to identify concepts until Richard and I
> co-edited that one:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/
> What was missing was URIs for Microsoft Outlook Entries and other things in
> daily life, we added that within Gnowsis/Cluug.
>
> Jung/Journeys/...
> Probably its easier to talk about this once a million people use it. I just
> wondered if it would work *before* we release it based on historic clues
> leading towards a semantic personal information management system. Our task
> here at Gnowsis is to reach these customers... lets see...
>
> best
> Leo
>
>
> It was Melvin Carvalho who said at the right time 18.11.2010 17:31 the
> following words:
>
> On 18 November 2010 08:27, Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@gnowsis.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Tim,
> SWIG
>
>
> My Current Task is somehow tricky:
>
> I am pitching our company Gnowsis to investors. It makes an Enquire-Like
> Semantic Desktop, a personal semantic web. It seems investors
> only understand anything on the level of "we do twitter for dogs" or "it
> sells crowdsourced clothes via mobile phones".
>
> You are at a disadvantage.  Most investors cannot see further than a
> two year horizon.  In fact, in many cases it is forbidden.
>
> The attractive thing about The Web is that it will likely achieve
> double digit growth for decades to come.  The great investors
> understand this.  Warren Buffett, the richest man in the world, and
> probably considered the best investor ever, has achieved 21% growth
> for around 40 years.  The (Semantic) Web can easily match that.
> Almost no other technology can.  That's the angle.
>
> The concept that good investors understand, is the network effect, or
> a better term the Web Effect.  This is the synergies created by
> connecting a growing number of people using Web Standards, of which,
> facebook is a microcosm.  Looking at Mark Z's latest talk he is
> starting to get it.  A graph of People, a Graph of Things:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czw-dtTP6oU&feature=player_embedded
>
> Your business advantage is of 'first mover'.  This is a double edged
> sword, on the one hand you start off further down the learning curve,
> but on the other new entrants can use newer technologies.  However,
> first mover has worked for google (web scale), and for amazon, ebay
> etc.   I think those are the angles to pitch, it helps if you have
> some good long term value investors in your network.  There are some
> in Vienna.
>
>
> So Tim, as Elder of the Web, I turn to you for an expert opinion to
> reassure we do a useful thing.
>
>
> Here are the Statements I patch together from "weaving the web" etc.:
>
> Enquire - linking everything bidirectionally is an
> entire new way of writing.
> I guess you also realized that the system changes the way you look at
> things and your
> thinking.
>
> WWW - give everyone a tool (read/write) web that everyone
> can publish information. The links are first unidirectional and untyped
> and will be typed
> "later", once the RDF riddle was solved in 1999.
>
> SemanticDesktop/PersonalDataWikis/PersonalSemanticWeb - we finally give
> the peoples the
> Enquire that Tim already used in the distant and mysterious past.
> The first distributable results are NEPOMUK-KDE, PesonalDataWikis,
> Personal Data Lockers, and services around this idea of personal
> semantic web services for personal information management.
>
> I think these will all be killer apps that will grow with the
> ecosystem, and gaining from the law of 'unintended consequences' that
> drove the Web of Documents.
>
> The link is only one half of the Web (of any graph).  The "URI" is the
> precious stone set in a silver sea.
>
> I'd recommend reading 1 essay a week in
>
> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/
>
> I still do on an daily basis.  I am always learning.
>
> The UDI (Universal Document Identifier) enables The Web of Documents.
> The URI will enable the Web of Resources.
>
> Remember one KEY point.  Universal does not mean Unique.  Universal
> brings things together, seeks commonalities (we mathematicians call
> them 'invariants', philosophers call them 'archetypes').  This idea
> has always been one of the foundational building block of mathematics,
> of science, of culture, and now of The Web.  More on this later.
>
> Give things Universal Identifiers and use Web Standards, and watch
> their usefulness grow and grow, relative to everything else.  As an
> initial adopter you're able to create most value than your competitors
> and hopefully receive most reward.
>
>
> The question:
> Tim,
> Is this THE idea?
>
> Do you agree this is a sensible thing to do?
>
>
>
> If yes, then my argumentation to investors and to myself is:
> "TimBl basically inventend blogging, wikipedia, and twitter with the
> idea of a read/write WWW, which it originally always included. You can
> trust that guy to be clever. You can also be assured this was around
> before, some ideas for millenia, some since Memex.
> Now Gnowsis works to realize the proto-idea - Enquire. There must be
> something going on here. Dear Investors, look at it, spend some time
> understanding what happens here with technology and then invest."
>
> Think about long term sustained exponential growth of your ecosystem,
> with your company defending a greater and greater share of that value.
>  People always tend to think that they are either at the beginning or
> the end of a journey.  But the Web Effect is in play and, continues
> its march exponentially.  Simply look at 2009 (gov) and 2010 (facebook
> ogp, google good relations, and so much more).  I think 2011 is going
> to be the year of the apps.  Gnowsis hopefully will make some of the
> best!
>
>
> Sometimes I feel like Frodo and together with Bernhard "Sam" Schandl we
> go alone to Mount Doom ("Microsoft Outlook") to finally throw the Ring
> of RDF into its center, to crack it open to the web. Then I see you guys
> over at the Minas Tirith of LinkedOpenData and data.gov and the battles
> Martin Hepp fights with GoodRelations and ... there is hope :-)
>
> Regarding email, did you take a look at rapportive?
>
> http://rapportive.com/
>
> A nice semantic tool that enhances email using the social graph.  I'm
> using it now, it's a cool UX.  Simple tool that makes things just a
> little bit better.  Perhaps this is the kind of demo that will inspire
> an investor.
>
> I like the Lord of the Rings analogy.  There can be no doubt that Lord
> of the Rings was influenced by the 'Universal' Story.  The idea of the
> monomyth, articulated so well by Jung and Campbell.  This is a story
> that has happened before, and it will happen again and again.  It
> happens every day.  My favorite video on the web, recorded 1987
> explains this quite well.  Universal does not mean Unique!
>
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1780052864372164593#
>
> "Man does not weave this web of life. He is merely a strand of it.
> Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself." was written in1854
> and we are talking about weaving the web today!
>
> I like your jest.  The Web may show a resemblance of Middle Earth, but
> it is not a copy.
>
> http://www.w3.org/2007/09/map/main.jpg
>
> Understand that The Web is about Universality.  The Web i about
> tolerance.  We are all Tolkien's characters traveling through The Web
> on a great journey.  Some are the hobbits, some are the wizards, and
> some are the Orcs created to mock the elves (I'll let you decide which
> is which :)).
>
> But the hero is the one who can make this journey decently, can make
> it in a way that is respectful and tolerant.  Someone that can first
> look to create value or those less fortunate with their work and toil.
>  And maybe just manage to make the long hard journey to cast down the
> One Ring, and allow us all to bask in the sunlight uplands of The Web
> :)
>
> Just my 2 cents (apologies in advance for the frivolity) :)
>
>
>
> ok, looking for interesting answers
> best
> Leo Sauermann, Dr.
> CEO and Founder
>
> mail: leo.sauermann@gnowsis.com
> mobile: +43 6991 gnowsis
> http://www.gnowsis.com
>
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> Leo Sauermann, Dr.
> CEO and Founder
>
> mail: leo.sauermann@gnowsis.com
> mobile: +43 6991 gnowsis
> http://www.gnowsis.com
>
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