- From: adasal <adam.saltiel@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:02:42 +0000
- To: Antoine Zimmermann <antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr>
- Cc: nathan@webr3.org, Kamler Hammez <hammezkam@gmail.com>, semantic-web@w3.org
- Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_8dvLXytgRNiUSdKOZKS+Yj0Q508H2GyfZ2A3@mail.gmail.com>
Antoine, Yes, you are right of course. Best, Adam On 13 December 2010 10:06, Antoine Zimmermann < antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr> wrote: > Le 12/12/2010 16:35, adasal a écrit : > > Antoine, >> When you say '...and turning HTML pages into valid XML is not something >> addressed by the semantic web' I am not sure what you mean. What is the >> 'semantic web' here? >> > > By "semantic web" I don't mean something very specific but it definitely is > about RDF, not XML and HTML, although you can have RDF in XML or embed RDF > in HTML via RDFa. > > > I think it is addressed by a python tool here >> >> http://code.google.com/p/semantic-fire/ >> > > This does not convert HTML pages into well-formed XML. This addresses the > issue that is raised on Semantic Overflow as pointed out by Kammler Hammez > but is not relevant for the subject of this thread. > > > and there must be other tools, too, but I don't have references to hand. >> >> Generally the problem is referred to as Lifting, although this is >> restricted >> to XML --> RDF and RDF --> some expressive representation of the >> semantics >> contained. So XML --> RDFa would be an example. >> This leaves the problem of HTML --> XML. I'm not sure that HTMLtidy will >> get >> all the way here though. >> > > HTML Tidy turns a HTML web page into a well-formed XML document. Again, > there's nothing related to RDF and it has nothing semantic, it's pure > syntactical transformation. > But if you have XML documents instead of messy HTML pages (as most webpages > online are), you can use XML-specific tools to, for instance, generate RDF > or something else. But this does not make the "XMLification" a semantic web > issue. > > > I haven't used semantic fire but is should be capable of the task. >> > > Semantic Fire generates RDF, which is not the subject of this thread but > thanks for mentioning it, may be useful for other tasks. > > > Regards, > AZ. > > > >> Best, >> >> Adam >> >> On 11 December 2010 06:27, Antoine Zimmermann< >> antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr> wrote: >> >> XMLified is not an existing word. I used it as I could have said RDFising >>> data or SPARQLising queries or whatever. The meaning is exactly what >>> Nathan >>> said, that is, something that is turned into valid XML. For HTML pages, >>> it >>> can be done by using HTML Tidy. It is not a semantic web term and turning >>> HTML pages into valid XML is not something addressed by the semantic web. >>> >>> AZ. >>> >>> Le 11/12/2010 00:20, Nathan a écrit : >>> >>> Kamler Hammez wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I'am a bit lost and finding few documents, but what could be a simple >>>>> definition of XMLified with HTML pages? And what are relationships >>>>> that may exisit between both? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Could you give some background on why you're asking the question? >>>> XMLified isn't a usual term to hear around the semantic web space >>>> (perhaps I'm wrong) - my immediate thought is: >>>> >>>> XMLified = something thing that has been turned in to valid XML >>>> XMLified HTML = XHTML >>>> >>>> However, I'm unsure what that has to do with the semantic web or why >>>> you're asking? >>>> >>>> Hoping to help more, >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > Antoine Zimmermann > Researcher at: > Laboratoire d'InfoRmatique en Image et Systèmes d'information > Database Group > 7 Avenue Jean Capelle > 69621 Villeurbanne Cedex > France > Lecturer at: > Institut National des Sciences Appliquées de Lyon > 20 Avenue Albert Einstein > 69621 Villeurbanne Cedex > France > > antoine.zimmermann@insa-lyon.fr > http://zimmer.aprilfoolsreview.com/ >
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