- From: Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 23:07:22 +0200
- To: "K. Krasnow Waterman" <kkw@mit.edu>
- Cc: Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>, Semantic Web <semantic-web@w3.org>
Perfect, you know how to find such things out - Connolly's bane again. This machine should be able to tell me those things. On 18 April 2010 16:29, K. Krasnow Waterman <kkw@mit.edu> wrote: > Perhaps I'm too literal, but when I think about linked data, I think about > linking existing data (rather than having it created in response to a > request, as social networking would require), and mostly about collapsing > lots of searches into one. > > So, assuming Danny's request doesn't literally mean "my" tomatoes (as in, > guess which varietal and what state they're in now), here are the searches > I'd expect to do today and the results I'd hope linked data could bring me. > > > 1) Find a tomato grow zone map or database (see, e.g., > http://www.tomatofest.com/tomato-growing-zone-map.html) > > 2) Find my location on that map and fetch my zone number > > 3) Find out the names of tomatoes that grow in my zone number > > 4) Get basic adjectives about those varieties (e.g., sweet, thin-skinned, > drought-resistant) > > 5)a) Find the "planting season" for each variety for my zone number > OR > 5)b)i) Find out how long it takes for each variety to grow from seedling to > fruit-bearing > AND > 5)b)ii) Find out how long it takes for each variety to grow from seed to > seedling (this info tends to be provided in different places from #4) > > 6) "Rinse and repeat". Grow zone maps have variation (by seed vendor and > gardening expert), so I'd typically look at a few and work out a blended > average sort of understanding. > > 7) Build a little table that puts this together (which would be so much > better than the notes I scratch on the back of an envelope while I'm > reading) > > Today this would probably take me 2+ hours of searching. > > I understand that there's no magic to producing this as a linked data query > (no NLP that's going to produce my query so clearly and no algorithm that's > going to implement it so perfectly), but I think building out more of these > as demonstrations lets the business and government communities see the > efficiency, effectiveness, and user wow factor. If Burpee can help > prospective gardeners reduce the time to understanding from hours to > moments, won't they expect significantly more "conversions" from hits and > reap the "first mover advantage"? That's what provides the incentive for > bigger players to publish more data, build more linked queries, and spend > resources on the bigger picture -- my answer for an early question in the > thread of last few days about how to get more engagement. > > Thanks, -k > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org] On > Behalf Of Dan Brickley > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 9:17 AM > To: Danny Ayers > Cc: Semantic Web > Subject: Re: call to arms > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 18 April 2010 12:54, Michael Schneider <schneid@fzi.de> wrote: >>> Danny Ayers wrote: >>> >>>>when do I plant my tomatoes? >>> >>> We are in early Spring now. Tomatoes don't grow well in this period. At >>> least not in the outside. Well, you can find them in the greenhouse, but >>> that's probably not what you are looking for. So, I'm afraid, you have to > be >>> patient. >> >> Thank you Michael, but I wish to make you redundant. This box of >> circuits in front of me should have told me that. >> >> Did you take into consideration that I live on this side of the >> Garfagnana valley? > > When I think about linked information these days, I see three major > flavours: > > * information in classic document form (analog stuff made of bits; > human-oriented prose, video, imagery) > * information in source-attributed RDF claims (aka Linked Data, quads, etc) > * information in people's heads > > For me, the RDFWeb/FOAF story I think has always been about the 3-way > relationship between these different equally important ways of > learning about the world. Linked people *and* linked information. > > You can think of lots of aspects of SemWeb as positioned as edges of > this simple triangle where the nodes are the categories above. RDF > syntaxes, GRDDL for microformats, RDFa, Adobe XMP, ebook metadata, > Dublin Core etc are often links between classic document forms and RDF > quads. Sometimes RDF quads are more to summarise what the document > says about the world; other times they are to help find it. Similarly, > provenance, authorship and other people-describing RDF, also > people-describing non-RDF information, can all help us to find whose > *head* might have the right information. A YouTube video can capture > something of a person's subjective knowledge of the world and put it > out there in document form for others to find; tags and RDF stuff can > help others find that video and either learn directly or get in touch. > SemWeb people (all of us) can easily focus only on one of these forms > of information, at the expense not only of the other two, but their > rich interconnections. Machine-unfriendly video, images, audio or .xls > files can still be very useful, and the 'RDF as metadata about files' > use case is one we too easily neglect. > >> Did you take into consideration that I live on this side of the Garfagnana > valley? > > In this case I think the answer is best found in the heads of your > neighbours, rather than on the Web. How's your Italian coming along? > > cheers, > > Dan > > > -- http://danny.ayers.name
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