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Re: mailing-lists in semantic-land

From: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 23:23:48 +0000
To: carmenr <_@whats-your.name>, "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Message-ID: <EMEW3|a29048ca537b1d89fc27ffc7519981abm360OE02hg|ecs.soton.ac.uk|C7E18114.116B8%hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
I think I have entered a parallel universe.
Or maybe I missed some messages?

On 06/04/2010 23:40, "carmenr" <_@whats-your.name> wrote:

>> So basically no-one in the Semantic Web community has a clue about
>> mailing lists. That is quite cool in itself.
I didn't really understand the logic that Danny was using to make this
statement.
> 
> $ mkdir mail/foaf-protocols
> $ cd mail/foaf-protocols
> $ wget 
> http://lists.foaf-project.org/pipermail/foaf-protocols/2010-{January,February,
> March}.txt.gz && gunzip *gz
Works for me.
> $ cd ../.. 
>  (you could stay in this directory if you want a sep index)
> $ e.console
Er, as expected:
e.console: Command not found.

Anyone give me any idea what the discussion is about here please?
:-)
Or are we simply talking about publishing mailing lists as RDF/Linked Data?
Cheers
Hugh
> 
> irb(main):002:0> E('/mail/foaf-protocols/*txt').glob.map &:indexMbox
> => [/mail/foaf-protocols/2010-February.txt,
> /mail/foaf-protocols/2010-January.txt, /mail/foaf-protocols/2010-March.txt]
> 
> mail is of course identified by message-ID:
> 
>    (E E::SIOC+'from').rangePO 'henry.story@bblfish.net',1
> => [/mail/foaf-protocols/2010-March/97]
> 
> m=((E E::SIOC+'from').rangePO 'henry.story@bblfish.net',1)[0].resource :mail
> 
> irb(main):019:0> puts m.keys
> uri
> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#from
> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#name
> http://purl.org/dc/terms/date
> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#group
> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#subject
> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#reply_of
> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#reference
> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#content
> 
> (not sure all predicates exist, but theyre trivially changed)
> 
>   m.uri
> => "5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net"
> 
> message identifier, it can be plugged into gmane :
> 
> http://mid.gmane.org/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net
> 
> or local DB (filesystem really)
> 
> irb(main):022:0> (E m.uri).r
> => "From: henry.story at bblfish.net (Story Henry)\nDate: Thu, 11 Mar 2010
> 20:27:05 +0100\nSubject: [foaf-protocols] [xwiki-devs]
> http://webid.myxwiki.org/\nIn-Reply-To:
> <D61D8C2E-E77E-4856-AEC9-764E9CA0A1F2@bblfish.net>\nReferences:
> <D61D8C2E-E77E-4856-AEC9-764E9CA0A1F2@bblfish.net>\nMessage-ID:
> <5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net>\n\n\nOn 9 Mar 2010, at
> 20:40, Story Henry wrote:\n\n> A very basic implementation of foaf+ssl is up
> here:\n> \n>  http://webid.myxwiki.org/\n\nWhile fixing Chrome [0], we found a
> bug with my previous implementation of web..
> 
> and HTTP
>  (a prettily formatted and link-clickable version)
> 
> [root@x200 element]# curl -I
> http://m/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Content-Type: text/html
> Content-Length: 4701
> 
>  (raw message)
> 
> [root@x200 element]# curl -I
> http://m/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net?raw
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> Content-Type: message/rfc822
> Content-Length: 2034
> 
>  (content-type turtle)
> 
> curl http://m/-/5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net -H "Accept:
> application/turtle"
> @base </> .
> @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> .
> 
> <ma/foaf-protocols/2010-March/97>
>     <fs:ftype> "file" ;
>     <fs:mtime> "2010-04-06 21:21:45 +0000" ;
>     <fs:size> "2034" .
> 
> <5FAADD40-416A-43A4-A0FE-7F8B41D3C530@bblfish.net>
>     <http://purl.org/dc/terms/date> "2010-03-11T19:27:05+00:00" ;
>     <http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#content> """<snip>
> 
> 
>  wrote some domain-specific views for mails (suggestions welcome)
> 
>  http://m/ma/foaf-protocols/*/*?view=threads
> 
> => http://i.imgur.com/eeP8W.png
> 
> a 'long tail' approach might be good, so you dont miss the important threads
> if ignoring a list for a week/month/forever:
> 
>   http://i.imgur.com/L9Spu.png  zoomed-out
> 
> 
> theres a generic (Exhibit - inspired) facet-top which just counts the most
> occurences of p/o:
> 
> http://m/ma/foaf-protocols/*/*?view=top&face&a=sioc:from
> 
> 668 
> 198 henry.story@bblfish.net
> 111 home_pw@msn.com
> 71 melvincarvalho@gmail.com
> 48 kidehen@openlinksw.com
> 32 Bruno.Harbulot@manchester.ac.uk
> 
> a custom domain-specific aggregation
> 
> http://m/ma/foaf-protocols/*/*?view=topthreads
> 
> 39 [foaf-protocols] FOAF+SSL and root certificates
> 35 [foaf-protocols] FOAF+ssl, access control.
> 29 [foaf-protocols] rsa / cert Ontology questions.
> 24 [foaf-protocols] foaf+ssl working on Internet Explorer
> 22 [foaf-protocols] Lack of browser support
> 
> suporting these kind of ad-hoc URI-specified workflows and making them fast
> drove the refactoring of http://gitorious.org/element
>  and thats proably why it uses JSON almost everywhere, and the innate ruby
> Hash implementation rather than a RDF library - URIs are identifiers + conneg
> works anyways
> 
> 
> a thread-reconstructor finds entire thread given a message
> 
>  model={}
>  Fn 'data/thread', E('4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org'),nil,model
>  model.keys =>
>  ["4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org",
> "D2E1FD7A-8F66-4780-AC2A-BAEE6C973BA0@bblfish.net",
> "4B83FC31.2080005@manchester.ac.uk", "4B856FD5.5050000@webr3.org",
> "4B83FF45.3080908@webr3.org", "4B8564ED.4090005@manchester.ac.uk",
> "4B83FFA8.4040802@webr3.org", "4B854702.1040602@manchester.ac.uk",
> "4B840CC8.3010004@manchester.ac.uk",
> "8FD629D3-82E1-4663-9A5D-E608195593B0@bblfish.net",
> "9178f78c1002240553j73b1b3c3ifb30215585534652@mail.gmail.com",
> "9B586E6A-D821-404F-92A1-FB2635B7153F@bblfish.net",
> "8847320C-490A-4D59-8A16-D09186C35522@bblfish.net",
> "4B856F01.4020300@webr3.org",
> "AE226FB5-9CE1-400B-9715-8D86773E3DAE@bblfish.net",
> "03EA7BF8-A0F7-4324-916F-0FC3B0CF6792@bblfish.net",
> "4B8561E1.7040802@webr3.org",
> "FA02959F-24DB-4941-B035-6C12751D061D@bblfish.net",
> "4B856319.5030302@webr3.org",
> "A699539D-7871-4858-9B61-5E598E2D7487@bblfish.net",
> "4B8568A6.8070608@webr3.org",
> "BDEED524-7979-4736-BDB2-149F6F633A41@bblfish.net",
> "4B8596CE.5090706@webr3.org", "4B857BB3.2030405@webr3.org",
> "f8b444c11002270111n21d3b907n11ea00fed7bee453@mail.gmail.com",
> "F3786CFE-12F0-4C64-B6A0-C8419E3E312C@bblfish.net",
> "BLU139-DS151B2AB4FBAF8E9E383C2292400@phx.gbl",
> "39B67967-962E-4320-94E8-D1375024C568@bblfish.net",
> "4B85A24A.50007@webr3.org", "4B856A5E.1020207@manchester.ac.uk"]
> 
> which can be combined w/ a path expression and conneg or customized views:
> 
>  links -dump 
> 'http://m/-/4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org?q=thread&p=sioc:from&view=table'
>                  
> http://rdfs.org/sioc/ns#from
> 4B83F2FC.8010608@webr3.org                                  nathan@webr3.org
> D2E1FD7A-8F66-4780-AC2A-BAEE6C973BA0@bblfish.net
> henry.story@bblfish.net
> 4B83FC31.2080005@manchester.ac.uk
> Bruno.Harbulot@manchester.ac.uk
> 9178f78c1002240553j73b1b3c3ifb30215585534652@mail.gmail.com
> melvincarvalho@gmail.com
> f8b444c11002270111n21d3b907n11ea00fed7bee453@mail.gmail.com
> akkiehossain@googlemail.com
> BLU139-DS151B2AB4FBAF8E9E383C2292400@phx.gbl                home_pw@msn.com
> 
> anyways..
> 
> 
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