- From: Jeff Finkelstein, Customer Paradigm <jeff@customerparadigm.com>
- Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:06:25 -0600
- To: <martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org>, "'Danny Ayers'" <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
- Cc: <bill.roberts@planet.nl>, <public-lod@w3.org>, "'semantic-web at W3C'" <semantic-web@w3c.org>
Martin-
I agree that the .htaccess file is a big stumbling block for many people
with low-cost hosting. Would a lightweight php-based application that could
write to the .htaccess / create the RDF file work to solve this easily?
Thanks,
-- Jeff
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-----Original Message-----
From: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Martin Hepp (UniBW)
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:44 AM
To: Danny Ayers
Cc: bill.roberts@planet.nl; public-lod@w3.org; semantic-web at W3C
Subject: .htaccess a major bottleneck to Semantic Web adoption / Was: Re:
RDFa vs RDF/XML and content negotiation
Hi all:
After about two months of helping people generate RDF/XML metadata for their
businesses using the GoodRelations annotator [1], I have quite some evidence
that the current best practices of using .htaccess are a MAJOR bottleneck
for the adoption of Semantic Web technology.
Just some data:
- We have several hundred entries in the annotator log - most people spend
10 or more minutes to create a reasonable description of themselves.
- Even though they all operate some sort of Web sites, less than 30 % of
them manage to upload/publish a single *.rdf file in their root directory.
- Of those 30%, only a fraction manage to set up content negotiation
properly, even though we provide a step-by-step recipe.
The effects are
- URIs that are not dereferencable,
- incorrect media types and
and other problems.
When investigating the causes and trying to help people, we encountered a
variety of configurations and causes that we did not expect. It turned out
that helping people just managing this tiny step of publishing Semantic Web
data would turn into a full-time job for 1 - 2 administrators.
Typical causes of problems are
- Lack of privileges for .htaccess (many cheap hosting packages give limited
or no access to .htaccess)
- Users without Unix background had trouble name a file so that it begins
with a dot
- Microsoft IIS require completely different recipes
- Many users have access just at a CMS level
Bottomline:
- For researchers in the field, it is a doable task to set up an Apache
server so that it serves RDF content according to current best practices.
- For most people out there in reality, this is regularly a prohibitively
difficult task, both because of a lack of skills and a variety in the
technical environments that turns into an engineering challenge what is easy
on the textbook-level.
As a consequence, we will modify our tool so that it generates "dummy"
RDFa code with span/div that *just* represents the meta-data without
interfering with the presentation layer.
That can then be inserted as code snippets via copy-and-paste to any XHTML
document.
Any opinions?
Best
Martin
[1] http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/
Danny Ayers wrote:
> Thank you for the excellent questions, Bill.
>
> Right now IMHO the best bet is probably just to pick whichever format
> you are most comfortable with (yup "it depends") and use that as the
> single source, transforming perhaps with scripts to generate the
> alternate representations for conneg.
>
> As far as I'm aware we don't yet have an easy templating engine for
> RDFa, so I suspect having that as the source is probably a good choice
> for typical Web applications.
>
> As mentioned already GRDDL is available for transforming on the fly,
> though I'm not sure of the level of client engine support at present.
> Ditto providing a SPARQL endpoint is another way of maximising the
> surface area of the data.
>
> But the key step has clearly been taken, that decision to publish data
> directly without needing the human element to interpret it.
>
> I claim *win* for the Semantic Web, even if it'll still be a few years
> before we see applications exploiting it in a way that provides real
> benefit for the end user.
>
> my 2 cents.
>
> Cheers,
> Danny.
>
>
>
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Webcast:
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Tool for registering your business:
http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/
Overview article on Semantic Universe:
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Tutorial materials:
Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on
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http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009
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