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From: Chris Bizer <chris@bizer.de>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:06:21 +0200
To: "'Azamat'" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>, "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Cc: "'John F. Sowa'" <sowa@BESTWEB.NET>
Message-ID: <012601c9f4e5$b8f80580$2ae81080$@de>
Hi Azamat,

> I much doubt that this note may have any big use. Recommend to 
> learn more about the relationship of Data, Information, Knowledge 
> and Wisdom.

We have done this for 10 years now with mixed results.

So why not try a slightly different approach?

Cheers,

Chris


> -----Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org]
> Im Auftrag von Azamat
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 17:24
> An: 'SW-forum'
> Cc: John F. Sowa
> Betreff: Re: Putting Government Data online
> 
> "Tim typically hid his talent under a bushel
> must read : http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/GovData.html"
> 
> I much doubt that this note may have any big use. Recommend to learn
> more
> about the relationship of Data, Information, Knowledge and Wisdom. Good
> to
> start from the Ackoff's paper: "From data to wisdom."  There is a rich
> literature on the data-information-knowledge-wisdom hierarchy
> (pyramid),
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIKW. More advanced concepts are Linked
> Information and Linked Knowledge or the Wisdom Pyramid with
> meaningfully
> dynamic knowledge networks topology: full relationship as well as line,
> loop, bus, mesh, star, or tree.
> 
> It is claimed that "Linked Data allows different things in different
> datasets of all kinds to be connected."
> http://www.thenationaldialogue.org/ideas/linked-open-data.
> 
> As it is, , Linked Data looks a big mess-up of data,
> http://linkeddata.org/,
> with low quality content and lack of any knowledge structure or
> inference
> mechanism.
> 
> 
> 
> I share the concerns recently expressed by John Sowa on other forum:
> 
> "My major complaint about the Semantic Web is that they ignored all
> the development techniques that worked successfully for years, and
> they failed to provide a migration path.
> 
> Following are some of the most egregious blunders:
> 
>   1. Ignoring the fact that every major web site is built on top
>      of a relational database.  The major sites use big commercial
>      databases.  Smaller sites are based on LAMP -- Linux, Apache,
>      MySQL, and Perl, Python, or PHP.
> 
>   2. Building RDF on top of triples, instead of the SQL n-tuples.
> 
>   3. Failing to integrate their notations with UML diagrams, which
>      include type hierarchies and various notations for constraints.
> 
> If the Semantic Web had addressed these three issues from the
> beginning,
> it would have been integrated into the mainstream of data processing in
> about 3 or 4 years.  Today, we would have seen some truly spectacular
> applications.
> The SemWeb still has a chance, but it has to be integrated with the
> mainstream of data processing before it can become the mainstream."
> 
> 
> 
> Azamat Abdoullaev
> 
> http://standardontology.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danny Ayers" <danny.ayers@gmail.com>
> To: "Semantic Web" <semantic-web@w3.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 3:00 PM
> Subject: Putting Government Data online
> 
> 
> > Tim typically hid his talent under a bushel
> >
> > must read :
> > http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/GovData.html
> >
> > --
> > http://danny.ayers.name
> >
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