- From: <richard.hancock@3kbo.com>
- Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 18:46:28 -0500 (CDT)
- To: "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
- Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, public-lod@w3.org, "Chris Wallace" <chris.wallace@uwe.ac.uk>
Hi Azamat, one thing I would like to be able to do is enter a search query similar to the following: "Kiwi a bird" using the "a" to indicate "rdf:type" and to substitute for "bird" the classes known to represent that concept. The search would then be made with the substituted list of classes specifying the entity type. e.g. umbel-sc:Bird, yago:BirdsOfNewZealand as shown by http://lod.openlinksw.com/ Would http://www.semanticWWW.com be able to provide the list of classes for the nominated concept. P.S. Great service Hugh Cheers, Richard > Chris Wallace wrote: > "I think what I was getting at is that searches in the semantic web might > be > expected to order results semantically rather than in random order, or in > order of current popularity as in non-semantic search engines." > Yes, this is our high expectations. > But there are good things also. The search for "entity" indicates that > "Entity Search, Find, and Explore" might look more meaningful than Google > Squared, www.google.com/squared, although, less meaningful than Microsoft > "bing", www.bing.com, http://www.bing.com/search?q=entity&go=&form=QBLH > The text search in need of defining the fundamental classes and types of > things, like entity, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity, as "bing" is > doing. > To build in this critical element of any effective semantic search engine, > i > recommend linking up to the upcoming all-the-meanings service, > http://www.semanticWWW.com. > > CW: "...the primary meaning of the word is quite lost."" > That's right, all the primary meanings should be underlined and marked up, > otherwise, the search could result in confusion, "a disorderly combination > of elements where identities lost and distinctions blended". > Azamat Abdoullaev > http://www.standardontology.org > > PS: it also would be good to clear up this: "e1 has any property whose > value > contains "entity". > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Wallace" <Chris.Wallace@uwe.ac.uk> > To: "Hugh Glaser" <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>; <giovanni.tummarello@deri.org> > Cc: "Semantic Web" <semantic-web@w3.org>; "Linked Data community" > <public-lod@w3.org>; "Ian Millard" <icm@ecs.soton.ac.uk> > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 1:36 PM > Subject: RE: sameas.org > > >> >Hugh Glaser wrote >>>>On 05/06/2009 04:09, "Giovanni Tummarello" <g.tummarello@gmail.com> >>>>wrote: >> >>>>>> a New Zealander and a Kiwifruit) >>>>>> >>>>>> throws up a radio station, an animated cartoon and lots of wordnet >>>>>> links to >>>>>> a >>>>>> juggle of plumbing but no juice. No sign of >>>>>> >>>>>> http://dbpedia.org/resource/Kiwi however >>>>> Ah. >>>>> We only look at the first n results from Sindice, and clearly kiwi is >>>>> a >>>>> popular name. >>>>> Clicking on the sindice link will show you what we got. >>>>> However, I see that using "kiwi bird" gives a decent return, so all >>>>> is >>>>> not >>>>> lost. >>>>> Best >>>>> Hugh >>>> >>>> >>>> we definitely have to improve here, luckly we know what's wrong and >>>> what's next and its coming. the ranking works decently for some >>>> entities but less for others. >>>> >>>> a major fix of this hopefully before summer break >>>> Giovanni >>>> >>>Not sure it needs much "fixing", but I guess things can always be >>>improved. >>>I can immediately think of 3 or 4 non-bird Kiwi meanings that I would >>>expect >>>to come above the bird. >>>It's a great example of why SW/LD helps us, and we can do things like >>>Kingsley's post. >> >> I think what I was getting at is that searches in the semantic web might >> be expected to order results semantically rather than in random order, >> or >> in order of current popularity as in non-semantic search engines. I >> expect >> the bird to come first without the need for user intervention to refine >> the search with additional words or type filters because this is the >> initial meaning of the word in Maori, and all other usages are derived >> from it, some later than others. >> >> Clearly as the size of the LOD cloud increases, the problem of ordering >> results becomes more important, especially as services place limits on >> the >> number of results returned. I realize that deriving a measure of >> semantic >> distance is a really hard problem but in a way, isnt it rather central >> to >> the semantic web? >> >> Kingsley, I tried http://lod.openlinksw.com, but here too, when >> searching >> for, say Bristol, I get pages of people who mention Bristol in their >> foaf >> profile, and things which are parts of Bristol (Bristol Airport) and >> hundreds of other mentions whilst the primary meaning of the word is >> quite >> lost. That just doesn’t seem like the expected behaviour of a >> 'semantic >> search engine'. I wonder for example if something could be done with >> dates to get the results into a more semantic order? >> >> Chris Wallace >> >> >> This email was independently scanned for viruses by McAfee anti-virus >> software and none were found >> > > >
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