Re: web to semantic web : an automated approach

>
> Here's the problem. Drupal are exposing _the data stored in Drupal. Do we
> expect everyone on web to use Drupal ? No.

I gave Drupal as an example. It's up to the other systems to follow through,
maybe learning from the other systems implementing it.


> What happens to information on times.com, blogspot.com, googlegroups.comor
> kashmirtimes.com ?

You'd be surprised by the sites already using Drupal, to name a few:
observer.com, fastcompany.com, amnesty.org, universalmusic.com, theonion.com.
These represent already many web pages ready to make the switch.


> Semantic web is not about converting someone's data and exposing it with
> semantic view. Its about the _whole_ data out there on web and then building
> a web of semantic links on top of that and then doing reasoning on top of
> that etc.

This cannot happen in one day. This cannot open via one project. It's a
global effort that will take a bit of time.

Stéphane.


On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:12 AM, रविंदर ठाकुर (ravinder thakur) <
ravinderthakur@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>This is indeed an essential point in the development of the Semantic
> Web. I'm
> >>>>mostly in the "it'll happen" camp with regards to people creating
> semantic
> >>>> content. There are two main sources, one is that they say that 70% of
> the
> >>>> data on the web is allready in some structured form, thus what's
> needed is to
> >>>> clarify what that structure means.
>
> I have been in "it will happen" camp but nothing far reaching seems to be
> happening so i am out. I would say that most of the data (90%) of data out
> there is unstructured. Also most of the strucutred data is specific to
> companies and they wont share it. There are people writing blogs, wikipedia,
> news websites producing content continuisley, people reviewing the products,
> putting their opinions online, the list of unstructured data is endless and
> will continue to grow with increasing Internet peneratration in 3rd world
> conturies. To assume that all users will manually convert this data to
> sturcutred seems too far fetched. To assume that the information being put
> by these end users is of little uses than say wikipedia/dbpedia would be a
> horrible mistake. Even if we have large data, someone needs to club this
> vast amount of rdf/owl data and create a global graph interlinking all of
> that.(BTW i see some serious ontology issues anyone will likely to hit in
> this approach)
>
> >>>>Also, I think IBM's SUKI http://www.research.ibm.com/UIMA/SUKI/ might
> be of
> >>>>interest.
>
> I have used UIMA but its not a one man army's job. Its just a framework and
> there is hell lot of things to be done yet on this. eg. write domain
> specific components etc.
>
>
>
> >>>>A3 is cumbersome and may produce wrong links and information - a
> nightmare without implicit support for provenance. In corporate
> >>>>environments A3 is already very popular, but in the broader Web-scale
> I'm a bit sceptical this will work well. What do you tink?
>
> I am hoping a lot on the progress we have made in NLP and no doubt NLP will
> continue to improve its performance in the near future. Currently to
> aliviate the wrong linking/information problem I think reduancy of
> information will play an important role. If we have 10 sources of same peice
> of information and 6 NLP parsers give one view and rest 4 give other view, i
> am pretty sure the one on which 6 are agreeing will be the right one. Also
> we dont have to be 100% right(that too in the begining) since ( other than
> your boss :) ) nobody is 100% right:)
>
>
> >>>>Some CMS like Drupal have already understood this and are rapidly
> moving towards exposing their content as RDF data
>
> Here's the problem. Drupal are exposing _the data stored in Drupal. Do we
> expect everyone on web to use Drupal ? No. What happens to information on
> times.com, blogspot.com, googlegroups.com or kashmirtimes.com ? Semantic
> web is not about converting someone's data and exposing it with semantic
> view. Its about the _whole_ data out there on web and then building a web of
> semantic links on top of that and then doing reasoning on top of that etc.
>
>
> Thanks for initiating the discussion anyways. Keep it coming :)
>