Re: Person Identifier

Hi Jeremy,

A normal day at the office for the semantic web. :)

Regards,

Mark

2008/4/21 Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hpl.hp.com>:
> Tim,
>
>  I, at least, took Mark not to be making the false logical step that you
> outlined; but more to be drawing attention to the same danger. I am hearing
> furious agreement!
>
>  (There are presumably underlying disagreements too!)
>
>  Jeremy
>
>
>
>
>  Tim Berners-Lee wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 2008-04 -21, at 18:16, Mark Birbeck wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > [...] So the
> > > argument being pursued (and I know it's not just your position, but
> > > one that is widely held) is that we need to establish a connection to
> > > the internet before we can deduce that some person is *not* a
> > > web-page.
> > >
> >
> > Wrong.  You have it backward.  That is not a widely held position AFAICT.
> > (Or find me examples?).
> > The TAG's argument (for example) is that *if* you have an HTTP identifier
> *and* you look it up
> > *then* you can deduce stuff from what you get back.
> >
> > There are lots of ways of deducing something is not a web page, without
> looking it up.
> >
> >    <http://example.net/foaf#me> a foaf:Person.
> >
> > is one, given also commonly shared
> >
> >  awww:WebPage owl:disjointWith foaf:Person.
> >
> > can allow you to deduce that without doing any HTTP accesses,
> > so long as you have some reason to believe both triples.
> >
> >
> >
> > > That is so back to front as to be frightening!
> > >
> >
> > Well, that's because you took the architecture
> > "If  you do an HTTP access you know something"
> > and attacked it as
> > "If you do no HTTP access you know nothing".
> > which is a false argument. You had it back to front.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > The fact, that I can figure out
> > > > anything about a thing by doing a simple GET request is very very
> appealing.
> > > > I think it makes things really easier.
> > > >
> > >
> > > GET requests may be simple, but how can making one be easier than
> > > *not* making one?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > That is always your choice.
> >
> >
> >
> > > [...]
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark Birbeck
> > >
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