- From: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:26:48 -0500
- To: "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
- Cc: 'SW-forum' <semantic-web@w3.org>, "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>
>Rarely have i seen such obtusness. Pat has said many interesting things, but >this statement reflects the whole point of the Semantic Web. No Real >Meanings, no Semantic Web, or no Universal Ontology, no Intelligent Web. >That's it. You were quoting a position which I was in that very message holding up to ridicule. This is NOT the whole point of the semantic web. On the contrary; which is what my message was about. Pat >Azamat >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Frank Manola" <fmanola@acm.org> >To: "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy> >Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>; "[ontolog-forum] " ><ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net> >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:24 PM >Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and LinkedData > > >> Rarely have I seen a better example of the dangers of quoting out of > > context. Quite. > > >> --Frank >> >> On Jul 21, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Azamat wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> "Formal meaning is just a mathematical curiosity and has nothing to >>> do with Real Meanings (the kind that really Matter in Human Discourse >>> in Society, or whatever), so whenever any formal inferences are done, >>> the formal conclusions lose all their Real Meaning and are just >>> mathematical curiosities of no real significance, devoid of any Real >>> Meaning content outside some narrow abstract mathematical domain."----- >>> Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hayes" <phayes@ihmc.us> >>> To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@research.bell-labs.com> >>> Cc: <chris@bizer.de>; <linking-open-data@simile.mit.edu>; <semantic- >>> web@w3.org>; <www-tag@w3.org> >>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and >>> LinkedData >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> From: noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and >>>>> LinkedData >>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:55:54 -0400 >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>>> I believe, however, that what we're discussing here is not just any >>>>>> old >>>>>> RDF statment. If I had made a statement that "the sky is green", >>>>>> Tim >>>>>> might reasonable express the opinion "no, I think Noah has set out a >>>>>> false >>>>>> statement." The case we're discussing is different, I think. Tim >>>>>> is, I >>>>>> believe, responsible for the association between the URI >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i and a resource, or we >>>>>> may >>>>>> assume for the sake of argument that W3C has delegated that >>>>>> responsibility >>>>>> to him. Tim states that the resource so designated is himself, then >>>>>> he is >>>>>> not offering an opinion: he is stating a fact about the resource >>>>>> that he >>>>>> has chosen to identify with this URI. The dbpedia folks may >>>>>> similarly >>>>>> establish authoritative associations between the URIs they control >>>>>> and >>>>>> resources. >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>>> Noah >>>>> >>>>> But what observable consequences come from this within a computational >>>>> system? >>>>> >>>>> Certainly statements like "the sky is green" >>>>> >>>>> ex:sky ex:colour ex:green . >>>>> >>>>> have consequences. For example, if added to functionality of the >>>>> colour >>>>> propery and uniqueness of colour objects, it is inconsistent with the >>>>> sky being blue. >>>>> >>>>> However, what consequences can come from the association between a URI >>>>> and a (non-information) resource? I can't think of any, and if there >>>>> aren't any then what is the point of arguing about the status of such >>>>> associations? >>>> >>>> I can think of many of them. Of course, they may not be *logical* >>>> consequences. See >>>> >>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/ >>>> 0196.html >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> -- >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> IHMC (850)434 8903 or (650)494 3973 home >>>> 40 South Alcaniz St. (850)202 4416 office > >>> Pensacola (850)202 4440 fax >>>> FL 32502 (850)291 0667 cell >>>> phayesAT-SIGNihmc.us http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ >Subscribe/Config: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ >Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@ontolog.cim3.net >Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ >Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ >To Post: mailto:ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- IHMC (850)434 8903 or (650)494 3973 home 40 South Alcaniz St. (850)202 4416 office Pensacola (850)202 4440 fax FL 32502 (850)291 0667 cell phayesAT-SIGNihmc.us http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes
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