Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and LinkedData

Dear Colleagues,

There are naturally issues unsolvable by science, even though the 
science seems to be gradually pushing the limits.
However, believing that science will eventually explain and solve 
everything is a false religion.

Regards,
Kuldar

Kuldar Taveter, PhD
Research Fellow
Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering
The University of Melbourne
Australia
Homepage: http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~kuldar/

Obrst, Leo J. wrote:
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> The next step is to ascribe "real meaning" to quantum mechanics or
> something similar and having the complexity of "consciousness" and push
> it aside as unsolvable or even unaddressable by science.  
>
> Leo
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org]
> On Behalf Of Frank Manola
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 3:25 PM
> To: Azamat
> Cc: 'SW-forum'; [ontolog-forum] 
> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and
> LinkedData
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> Rarely have I seen a better example of the dangers of quoting out of  
> context.
>
> --Frank
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> On Jul 21, 2007, at 2:31 PM, Azamat wrote:
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>> "Formal meaning is just a mathematical curiosity and has nothing to
>> do with Real Meanings (the kind that really Matter in Human Discourse
>> in Society, or whatever), so whenever any formal inferences are done,
>> the formal conclusions lose all their Real Meaning and are just
>> mathematical curiosities of no real significance, devoid of any Real
>> Meaning content outside some narrow abstract mathematical  
>> domain."-----  Original Message ----- From: "Pat Hayes"  
>> <phayes@ihmc.us>
>> To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
>> Cc: <chris@bizer.de>; <linking-open-data@simile.mit.edu>; <semantic- 
>> web@w3.org>; <www-tag@w3.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and  
>> LinkedData
>>
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>>>> From: noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Terminology Question concerning Web Architecture and  
>>>> LinkedData
>>>> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:55:54 -0400
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>  I believe, however, that what we're discussing here is not just  
>>>>> any old
>>>>>  RDF statment.  If I had made a statement that "the sky is  
>>>>> green", Tim
>>>>>  might reasonable express the opinion "no, I think Noah has set  
>>>>> out a false
>>>>>  statement."  The case we're discussing is different, I think.   
>>>>> Tim is, I
>>>>>  believe, responsible for the association between the URI
>>>>>  http://www.w3.org/People/Berners-Lee/card#i and a resource, or  
>>>>> we may
>>>>>  assume for the sake of argument that W3C has delegated that  
>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>  to him.  Tim states that the resource so designated is himself,  
>>>>> then he is
>>>>>  not offering an opinion: he is stating a fact about the  
>>>>> resource that he
>>>>>  has chosen to identify with this URI.  The dbpedia folks may  
>>>>> similarly
>>>>>  establish authoritative associations between the URIs they  
>>>>> control and
>>>>>  resources.
>>>>>           
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>>  Noah
>>>>>           
>>>> But what observable consequences come from this within a  
>>>> computational
>>>> system?
>>>>
>>>> Certainly statements like "the sky is green"
>>>>
>>>> ex:sky ex:colour ex:green .
>>>>
>>>> have consequences.  For example, if added to functionality of the  
>>>> colour
>>>> propery and uniqueness of colour objects, it is inconsistent with  
>>>> the
>>>> sky being blue.
>>>>
>>>> However, what consequences can come from the association between  
>>>> a URI
>>>> and a (non-information) resource?  I can't think of any, and if  
>>>> there
>>>> aren't any then what is the point of arguing about the status of  
>>>> such
>>>> associations?
>>>>         
>>> I can think of many of them. Of course, they may not be *logical*  
>>> consequences. See
>>>
>>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-rdf-comments/2003JanMar/ 
>>> 0196.html
>>>
>>> Pat
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