- From: Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com>
- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:54:25 -0700
- To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@ontolog.cim3.net>, "John F. Sowa" <sowa@bestweb.net>
- CC: SW-forum <semantic-web@w3.org>
That jives with my beliefs, as crooked and warped as they may be. ;-) /d On 7/31/07 2:13 PM, "Peter F Brown" <peter@pensive.eu> wrote: > Duane: > You are right. This goes to the heart of the issue of "vicious circularity" > that Whitehead and Russell had thought was sorted with Principia Mathematica, > until Kurt Gödel came along and demolished their shiny, perfect, world. An > ontology is not just some self-referencing and self-sustaining model that is > somehow "complete"; it points out to the real world, as you rightly say. > > Before there is a flame war on this, I should underline that we discussed this > extensively at the Ontology Summit, and there was an (uncomfortable for some) > consensus that there is "Ontology" as *the* study of being; and there are > "ontologies" that are domain-specific encapsulations of some aspect of the > real world. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: ontolog-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net > [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@ontolog.cim3.net] On Behalf Of Duane Nickull > Sent: 31 July 2007 16:05 > To: [ontolog-forum]; John F. Sowa > Cc: 'SW-forum' > Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Current Semantic Web Layer Cake > > > > > On 7/31/07 12:46 PM, "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy> wrote: > >> The real semantics or meanings of any symbolism or notation is defined by >> ontology; for this is the only knowledge domain studying the Being of >> Everything which is, happens and relates. > > Not trying to start a nit picky argument, but I had always thought that real > semantics are defined by how a term is used and what it is linked to in a > physical world (which of course can be captured and expressed in an > ontology). Otherwise any ontology is just a huge circular reference (like > the english dictionary when void of any grounding. > > How can one define and convey the true meaning of spicy food, heat, pain etc > without the corresponding grounding experience? > > Duane -- ********************************************************************** "Speaking only for myself" Blog - http://technoracle.blogspot.com Community Music - http://www.mix2r.com My Band - http://www.myspace.com/22ndcentury MAX 2007 - http://technoracle.blogspot.com/2007/07/adobe-max-2007.html **********************************************************************
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