Re: In defence of 404 ...

Hi Karl,

Le lundi 07 août 2006 à 22:21 +0900, Karl Dubost a écrit :
> 
> Le 7 août 06 à 22:03, Dan Connolly a écrit :
> >> Just a few dozen terms, yes. But with semantics not so "static" as  
> >> you
> >> would like them to be. geo:Region is not rdfs:subClassOf - The real
> >> world apologizes for being so messy, changing and unstable :-) .
> >
> > It's reasonably straightforward to change the contents of a static
> > file on a web server, no?
> 
> Maybe Bernard Vatant wants to express that geography nomenclature is  
> changing but not necessary references in published materials or even  
> in social context.
> 
> For example two cities being grouped in one and then one of them is  
> losing its name and its legal existence, but for history papers still  
> exist, etc. Geography is social, very social, there has been a very  
> interesting paper about that
>  Françoise Zonabend
>  Pourquoi Nommer ?
>  in L'identité by Claude Lévi-Strauss.
> 
> It has been republished in
> 
> [[[
> Play on names. How people is named in Minot. -- Through historical  
> and sociological analysis of the way people is named (surnames,  
> Christian names, nicknames) in a village of North Burgundy, and its  
> relationship with the way places are called, it appears that  
> toponymic and individual appellations belong to one and only system,  
> and that spacial and nominal categories present a similarity. Both of  
> the fields seem to have been arranged by the same organizing thought.  
> Toponymy and patronymy constitute two languages reflecting one  
> another. It exists a continuity between nominated space and  
> denominated society. Beyond, it is all the problem of the relations  
> between anthroponymic system and identity which is set here.
> ]]]
> 
> -- Jeux de noms
> http://etudesrurales.revues.org/document716.html
> Mon, 07 Aug 2006 13:19:46 GMT
> 
> But Maybe Bernard is talking about something else

The link is interesting and I can see simple and concrete needs that
involve both toponymy and patronymy for having to keep the history of
the geographical entities. 

The INSEE happens to also be in charge of referencing French citizen
(but this database will probably never be public for obvious privacy
reasons :) ). When you attach a city to a person as its birth date, you
make a reference to the entity as it was defined at that date and this
entity can be different to what it is right now. 

That means that even if you change the contents of a static file that
represent the latest version on a web server, you might also have to
think of a mechanism that could be similar to what is done for the
various versions of a specification on the W3C web site and would also
keep track of the history of these documents.

The version that has been published is only a first version and we've
not yet figured out the details about how this history will be
implemented but we need to avoid that the decisions we are taking now
could make the whole issue more difficult than it should.  

Eric
> 
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