- From: Jeremy Wong <50263336@student.cityu.edu.hk>
- Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:22:40 +0800
- To: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>, semantic-web@w3.org
Let's see the following triples... madonna rdf:type owl:Class madonna1 rdf:type madonna madonna2 rdf:type madonna madonna socialSecurityNumber "123" madonna1 atMoment "M1" madonna2 atMoment "M2" madonna2 fingernail "clipped" madonna2 toenail "clipped" -- Jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Story" <henry.story@bblfish.net> To: <semantic-web@w3.org> Cc: "Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com>; "Atom Syntax" <atom-syntax@imc.org>; "bloged" <users@bloged.dev.java.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: Madonna > > Just a point of clarification about identity. (I thought the example > is fun enough that it may be of interest) > > As we all know Madonna is a material girl, and she lives in a material > world [1]. > > Madonna is a US citizen also. Let us imagine the day she received her > social security card through the post. That day Madonna, the material > girl, had a very specific material constitution. Let us call the set > of cells, organic and inorganic material that composed Madonna that > moment M1. > > Now let us stipulate that two material things are equal if they are > made of exactly the same matter. > > That afternoon Madonna goes to the beauty salon where she gets her hair > cut and fingernails and toe nails clipped. The resulting material girl > call her M2 is no longer the same as M1, as M2 is M1 less some hair > and nail material. M2 may also contain a little more water (she was > drinking some beauty drink during the process). So M1 is not the same > material thing as M2. > > Both M1 and M2 are also girls, and have a functional relation to a > social security number. Ie M1 and M2 each only have 1 social security > number. There are in fact a very large number of such material Madonnas > Mx that have a functional relation to that same social security number. > So clearly the inverse relation (from social security to temporal Material > Madonnas) is not functional. > > Now let us think of the mereological fusion [2] of all of these > Material Madonnas, and let us call that MM. MM also has a functional > relation to the social security number. But it is also clear that > there is an inverse functional relation from social security number > to MM. > > So the social security number identifies madonna in two ways. > > 1. via a functional relation > temporalId: temporal material madonnas --> social security number > 2. via an inverse functional relation > fusionId: MM --> social security number > > Given a social security number we can via the fusionId relation > get a hold of the mereological fusion of that person, and from > the mereological fusion we can find the individual temporal parts, > each of which of course have a temporalId relation to the same social > security number. > > The above can probably be also put in terms of set theory, and > so in terms of rdf graphs. In which case it clearly shows how > rdf can speak about temporal and non temporal identity. > > Henry Story > > [1] http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/madonna/86925.html > audio clip: http://tinyurl.com/5k9et > [2] http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mereology/ > >
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