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Re: Madonna

From: Frank Manola <fmanola@acm.org>
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 09:26:10 -0500
Message-ID: <420A1D81.3060408@acm.org>
To: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
CC: "Spork, Murray" <murray.spork@sap.com>, semantic-web@w3.org

It's available online.  Go to http://www.authorhouse.com/ and search for 
author=Kent.

Excerpts at http://www.bkent.net/Doc/darxrp.htm

Bill's "arguments" are very realistic;  basically, that modeling this 
stuff can be more complicated than it might appear (at least to some 
folks) on the surface.

--Frank

Henry Story wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the pointer. I should point out that for every great idea
> there have been great (and not so great) skeptics. These often help
> advance the field, in that arguments have to be devised and clarified
> to overcome their positions.
> 
> There have been people who have argued that:
>   - we cannot know anything
>   - the world is an illusion
>   - that logic is fatally flawed
>   - that the earth is flat
>   - the holocaust never happened
> 
> I take it that Bill Kent's arguments must be of the better variety, but
> would need more precise arguments to evaluate his position. Again
> thanks for the pointer. Please do let me know if you find some
> online articles that summarize his thoughts.
> 
> In the mean time, I'll just be optimistic. Logic has incredibly
> solid foundations. It has received the attention of some of the
> brightest minds in the past 2400 years, including Aristotle, Leibniz,
> Frege, Betrand Russel, Wittgenstein, Donald Davidson, David Lewis, and
> many many many more...
> 
> 
> Henry Story
> 
> 
> On 9 Feb 2005, at 12:00, Spork, Murray wrote:
> 
>> [Cc's trimmed]
>>
>> Hi Henry,
>>
>> I was going to point you towards a keynote speech at Extreme Markup
>> Languages 2003 by Bill Kent on the "Unsolvable Identity Problem" but
>> can't find it anywhere - the best I can find is [1].
>>
>> Doesn anyone know if it's available online? I'm sure it used to be.
>>
>> Kent's book "Data and Reality" [2] is essential reading (and a little
>> depressing for all of us interested in the "semantics" of data) - just
>> as relevant now as it was in the 70s when written.
>>
>> [1] http://www.extrememarkup.com/extreme/2003/keynotes.asp
>> [2]
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1585009709/qid=1107946684/ sr=1-
>> 1/ref=sr_1_10_1/202-3816936-0235828
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: semantic-web-request@w3.org
>>> [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Henry Story
>>> Sent: Wednesday,9 February 2005 7:42 PM
>>> To: semantic-web@w3.org
>>> Cc: Roy T. Fielding; Atom Syntax; bloged
>>> Subject: Madonna
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a point of clarification about identity. (I thought the example
>>> is fun enough that it may be of interest)
>>>
>>> As we all know Madonna is a material girl, and she lives in a  
>>> material [snip]
> 
> 
> 
> 
Received on Wednesday, 9 February 2005 14:18:55 UTC

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