- From: Hans Teijgeler <hans.teijgeler@quicknet.nl>
- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:50:44 +0200
- To: <jos.deroo@agfa.com>
- Cc: <semantic-web@w3.org>, "Christiansen Thore" <tore.r.christiansen@dnv.com>
- Message-Id: <200508240750.j7O7ojMO005753@vmx60.multikabel.net>
Hi Jos, Picking up the thread of what you said before: QUOTE will need some more time to understand more details of your work.. also, when I converted your ontology-for-data-model.rdf into N3 I found a lot of typed literals clashes such as ""^^xsd:nonNegativeInteger but is definitely interesting work :) UNQUOTE We have some places in the model where we have literals: ExpressBinary ExpressBoolean ExpressInteger ExpressLogical ExpressReal ExpressString. MultidimensionalObject ClassOfMultidimensionalObject To start with the first six we have, for OWL, the unusual situation that these are owl:Class'es that have a Property 'content', and that Property has as range the applicable EXPRESS literal, mapped to the matching XML Schema literal. The reasons for that are: - it allows us to type it with the applicable language and/or format; - it allows us to easily model a translation into another language and/or format; - it allows us to stay generic as long as is possible, because these six are subclasses of ClassOfInformationRepresentation. ----------------------------------- Then we have the ClassOfMultidimensionalObject and the MultidimensionalObject: The ClassOfMultidimensionalObject has five Properties, each of them is a List (I don't know how to model that in OWL): <owl:Class rdf:ID="ClassOfMultidimensionalObject"> <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="#ClassOfAbstractObject"/> <rdfs:subClassOf> <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#cardinalities"/> <owl:allValuesFrom rdf:resource="#Cardinality"/> </owl:Restriction> </rdfs:subClassOf> <rdfs:subClassOf> <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#optionalElement"/> <owl:allValuesFrom rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#boolean"/> </owl:Restriction> </rdfs:subClassOf> <rdfs:subClassOf> <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#parameters"/> <owl:allValuesFrom rdf:resource="#Thing"/> </owl:Restriction> </rdfs:subClassOf> <rdfs:subClassOf> <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#parameterPosition"/> <owl:allValuesFrom rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#nonNegativeInteger"/> </owl:Restriction> </rdfs:subClassOf> <rdfs:subClassOf> <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#roles"/> <owl:allValuesFrom rdf:resource="#RoleAndDomain"/> </owl:Restriction> </rdfs:subClassOf> <rdfs:comment rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string"> DEFINITION A ClassOfMultidimensionalObject is a ClassOfAbstractObject whose members are instances of MultidimensionalObject . The role played by each position in the classified MultidimensionalObject is specified at the same position in the roles attribute. Constant values that apply to any position in the roles attribute are specified in the same position in the parameters attribute. The cardinalities for the roles attribute are specified by the same position in the cardinalities attribute. </rdfs:comment> <rdfs:comment rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string"> EXAMPLE The definition of the input to a function y = a + bx to convert Celsius to Fahrenheit with roles [a, b, x] defining the input MultidimensionalObject , and parameter list [32,1.8,] is an example of a ClassOfMultidimensionalObject . </rdfs:comment> </owl:Class> The MultidimensionalObject has two Properties, each of them is a List <owl:Class rdf:ID="MultidimensionalObject"> <rdf:type rdf:resource="#ClassOfMultidimensionalObject"/> <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="#AbstractObject"/> <rdfs:subClassOf> <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#elements"/> <owl:allValuesFrom rdf:resource="#Thing"/> </owl:Restriction> </rdfs:subClassOf> <rdfs:subClassOf> <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#position"/> <owl:allValuesFrom rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#nonNegativeInteger"/> </owl:Restriction> </rdfs:subClassOf> <rdfs:comment rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string"> DEFINITION A MultidimensionalObject is an AbstractObject that is an ordered list of Thing . The significance of the MultidimensionalObject is determined by being a member of a ClassOfMultidimensionalObject that indicates the role played by each of its elements. </rdfs:comment> <rdfs:comment rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string"> NOTE The MultidimensionalObject [A,B,C] is different from [B,C,A]. </rdfs:comment> <rdfs:comment rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string"> EXAMPLE '[32, 1.8, 20]' is a MultidimensionalObject that may be specified to be the input parameters for the function y=a+bx to convert 20 Celsius to Fahrenheit. </rdfs:comment> </owl:Class> I know, it looks pretty crazy, but these are a necessary entity types in our model. I would be much obliged to get a hint how to squeeze this in OWL. Regards, Hans PS The above is taken from the Ontology for Data Model http://www.infowebml.ws/links/ontology-for-data-model.rdf ============================================================= From: jos.deroo@agfa.com [mailto:jos.deroo@agfa.com] Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:44 PM To: hans.teijgeler@quicknet.nl Cc: semantic-web@w3.org Subject: RE: OWL Full reasoning Hi, Hans The OWL Full reasoning that engines like cwm and euler are doing is via an explicit set of rules that you give them. In the past years I did some such rules at http://eulersharp.sourceforge.net/2003/03swap/rdfs-rules.n3 http://eulersharp.sourceforge.net/2003/03swap/owl-rules.n3 but I wouldn't really recommend those as it was mainly done to check the RDF and OWL test cases. Our practical experience (in healthcare domain) is that a few rules are fine for many cases and one such set is at http://eulersharp.sourceforge.net/2003/03swap/rpo-rules.n3 (but you will need more rules :)) I prefer to have public communcation where possible.. (and am still in vacation till end of next week :)) In order to see what we talk about I've copied the N3 file to http://eulersharp.sourceforge.net/2004/04test/ontology-for-data-model.n3 (obtained via java -Xmx1200m jena.rdfcopy %1 RDF/XML N3) and it are those ""^^xsd:nonNegativeInteger that are not fine i.e. you should have something like "2"^^xsd:nonNegativeInteger Have a very nice weekend :) (een prettig weekend :)) -- Jos De Roo, AGFA http://www.agfa.com/w3c/jdroo/ ========================================================== "Hans Teijgeler" <hans.teijgeler@quicknet.nl> 19/08/2005 21:59 To: Jos De_Roo/AMDUS/MOR/Agfa-NV/BE/BAYER@AGFA cc: <semantic-web@w3.org> Subject: RE: OWL Full reasoning Hi Jos, Thanks for the effort! It is VERY important to us, because it gives us hope that we indeed can perform reasoning to information that is modelled in our style. The alternative might have been to denormalize our data model (or better said: cripple it) in order to make it suitable for DL. I have two questions: 1. The W3C site qualifies cwm as: -- useful but incomplete OWL Full It looks like it is pretty capable. How "incomplete OWL Full" is it really, and is work underway to make it less incomplete? 2. Can we work, off-line or on-line (your choice), on what you mentioned in the very last paragraph below? Kind regards, Hans ========================================================== From: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of jos.deroo@agfa.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 1:59 PM To: hans.teijgeler@quicknet.nl Cc: semantic-web@w3.org Subject: Re: OWL Full reasoning Hi, Hans I looked a bit to your interesting case and did a simple test The N3 [1] that follows can be automatically converted to RDF/XML using cwm [2] and cwm is also used as reasoner as well as euler [3] (as Danny mentioned :)) The input of the test is the following ########################################################## @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#>. @prefix owl: <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#>. @prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>. @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>. @prefix iso: <http://www.tc184-sc4.org/iso15926/part2/2003-12#> . @prefix : <hans#>. ### input :flange_on_pump_P-101 a iso:PhysicalObject. :flange_on_pipe_A-265-h a iso:PhysicalObject. :direct_connection a iso:DirectConnection, :R1, :R2; :side1 :flange_on_pump_P-101; :side2 :flange_on_pipe_A-265-h. :R1 a owl:Restriction; owl:onProperty :side1; owl:allValuesFrom iso:PossibleIndividual. :R2 a owl:Restriction; owl:onProperty :side2; owl:allValuesFrom iso:PossibleIndividual. ### RDF plus OWL rules # extending http://eulersharp.sourceforge.net/2003/03swap/rpo-rules.n3 rdfs:subClassOf rdfs:domain rdfs:Class; rdfs:range rdfs:Class; a owl:TransitiveProperty. rdfs:subPropertyOf rdfs:domain rdf:Property; rdfs:range rdf:Property; a owl:TransitiveProperty. owl:inverseOf rdfs:domain owl:ObjectProperty; rdfs:range owl:ObjectProperty; a owl:SymmetricProperty. owl:differentFrom rdfs:domain owl:Thing; rdfs:range owl:Thing; a owl:SymmetricProperty. owl:distinctMembers rdfs:domain owl:AllDifferent; rdfs:range rdf:List. rdf:first rdfs:domain rdf:List; rdfs:range rdfs:Resource; a owl:FunctionalProperty. rdf:rest rdfs:domain rdf:List; rdfs:range rdf:List; a owl:FunctionalProperty. {?P rdfs:domain ?C. ?S ?P ?O} => {?S a ?C}. {?P rdfs:range ?C. ?S ?P ?O} => {?O a ?C}. {?A rdfs:subClassOf ?B. ?S a ?A} => {?S a ?B}. {?P rdfs:subPropertyOf ?R. ?S ?P ?O} => {?S ?R ?O}. {?P owl:inverseOf ?Q. ?S ?P ?O} => {?O ?Q ?S}. {?P a owl:SymmetricProperty. ?S ?P ?O} => {?O ?P ?S}. {?P a owl:TransitiveProperty. ?X ?P ?O. ?S ?P ?X} => {?S ?P ?O}. {?P a owl:FunctionalProperty. ?S ?P ?X. ?S ?P ?Y} => {?X = ?Y}. {?P a owl:InverseFunctionalProperty. ?X ?P ?O. ?Y ?P ?O} => {?X = ?Y}. {?L rdf:rest ?M. ?A owl:distinctMembers ?L} => {?A owl:distinctMembers ?M}. {?L rdf:first ?X; rdf:rest ?M. ?M :item ?Y. ?A owl:distinctMembers ?L} => {?X owl:differentFrom ?Y}. {?C owl:oneOf ?L. ?L :item ?X} => {?X a ?C}. {?R a owl:Restriction; owl:onProperty ?P; owl:allValuesFrom ?A. ?X ?P ?Y; a ?R} => {?Y a ?A}. {?L rdf:first ?I; a rdf:List} => {?L :item ?I}. {?L rdf:rest ?R; a rdf:List. ?R :item ?I} => {?L :item ?I}. ########################################################## and then we ask ########################################################## @prefix q: <http://www.w3.org/2004/ql#>. @prefix log: <http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/log#>. @prefix owl: <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#>. @prefix rdfs: <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#>. @prefix rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>. @prefix iso: <http://www.tc184-sc4.org/iso15926/part2/2003-12#> . @prefix : <hans#>. [] q:select {?X :accordingTo iso:norm}; q:where {?X a iso:DirectConnection; :side1 ?S1; :side2 ?S2. ?S1 a iso:PhysicalObject, iso:PossibleIndividual. ?S2 a iso:PhysicalObject, iso:PossibleIndividual}. ########################################################## and get as answer ########################################################## @prefix : <hans#> . @prefix iso: <http://www.tc184-sc4.org/iso15926/part2/2003-12#> . :direct_connection :accordingTo iso:norm . ########################################################## of course, this could also be directly obtained when you take as input iso:PhysicalObject rdfs:subClassOf iso:PossibleIndividual. but we wanted to test that iso:PossibleIndividual followed from owl rules as you can see in the following proof trace ########################################################## {{:direct_connection a iso:DirectConnection} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_14>. {:direct_connection :side1 :flange_on_pump_P-101} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_15>. {:direct_connection :side2 :flange_on_pipe_A-265-h} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_16>. {:flange_on_pump_P-101 a iso:PhysicalObject} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_11>. {{:R1 a owl:Restriction} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_18>. {:R1 owl:onProperty :side1} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_19>. {:R1 owl:allValuesFrom iso:PossibleIndividual} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_20>. {:direct_connection :side1 :flange_on_pump_P-101} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_15>. {:direct_connection a :R1} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_14>} e:sequent { {:flange_on_pump_P-101 a iso:PossibleIndividual} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_50>}. {:flange_on_pipe_A-265-h a iso:PhysicalObject} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_12>. {{:R2 a owl:Restriction} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_22>. {:R2 owl:onProperty :side2} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_23>. {:R2 owl:allValuesFrom iso:PossibleIndividual} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_24>. {:direct_connection :side2 :flange_on_pipe_A-265-h} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_16>. {:direct_connection a :R2} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_14>} e:sequent { {:flange_on_pipe_A-265-h a iso:PossibleIndividual} e:evidence <file:/temp/hans.n3#_50>}} e:sequent { {:direct_connection :accordingTo iso:norm} e:evidence <http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#kb>}. # Proof found for _:engine_1 in 5732 steps (139770 steps/sec) using 1 engine (50 triples) ########################################################## will need some more time to understand more details of your work.. also, when I converted your ontology-for-data-model.rdf into N3 I found a lot of typed literals clashes such as ""^^xsd:nonNegativeInteger but is definitely interesting work :) -- Jos De Roo, AGFA http://www.agfa.com/w3c/jdroo/ [1] http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/doc/ [2] http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/doc/cwm.html [3] http://eulersharp.sourceforge.net/ ======================================================= "Hans Teijgeler" <hans.teijgeler@quicknet.nl> Sent by: semantic-web-request@w3.org 18/08/2005 14:49 To: <semantic-web@w3.org> cc: (bcc: Jos De_Roo/AMDUS/MOR/Agfa-NV/BE/BAYER) Subject: OWL Full reasoning Hi, I have worked out an example of a reasoning problem that we have: http://www.infowebml.ws/topics/RDF-OWL/85-reasoning/example.htm I have the following questions to the OWL community: 1. Given the fact that this is clearly an implementation of OWL Full, can any OWL reasoner handle this at present? 2. If not yet, may we realistically expect such a capability to be available by the year 2010? 3. And if not, why is there OWL Full? Regards, Hans _______________________ Hans Teijgeler ISO 15926 specialist www.InfowebML.ws hans.teijgeler@quicknet.nl phone +31-72-509 2005
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