Minutes XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #653 2016-09-13

Andy will chair this meeting.


Changes in this agenda:

This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J4.2 (F&O)
J4.6 (Test suite)


Key:
J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
Q = Query-only meeting


Teleconference connection details
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(Member only)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Sep/0014.html

SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
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NEW ACTION ITEMS
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ACTION 653-01: Mike to implement change in bug 29765 comment 5 for
width modifier in formatting the year ocmponent

ACTION 653-02: Mike to implement bug 29785 comment 6, modified by "the
outcome of validation..."

ACTION 653-03 Mike to fix typo pointed out in 29722 on fn:sort,
array:sort


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Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items

J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)

Liam


Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
----------------------------------------------------------
(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.

Tim Mills           - 2016-05-10, 2016-03-22, 2015-12-08
John Snelson        - 2016-05-24, 2016-01-12, 2015-07-16
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-06-07, 2016-02-09, 2015-10-03
Michael Dyck        - 2016-06-14, 2016-03-08, 2015-11-17
Adam Retter         - 2016-06-21, 2016-01-26, 2015-10-20
Abel Braaksma       - 2016-06-28
Jonathan Robie      - 2016-07-05, 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05
Josh Spiegel        - 2016-07-19, 2016-03-15, 2015-12-01
Mike Kay            - 2016-07-26, 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01
O'Neil Delpratt     - 2016-09-06, 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02
Liam Quin           - 21016-09-13 2016-05-03, 2016-01-19



J1.2 Call the Roll -- NOT DONE DURING TELECONFERENCE

Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent
regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without
regrets.


XML Query WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org


XSL WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org


Andy Coleman
Liam Quin
Abel Braxma
Tim Mills
Michael Kay
Jonathan Robie
Michael Sperberg-McQueen
O'Neil Delpratt
Michael Dyck

J1.3 Approval of agenda

J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?

[none]

J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items

J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #652 (O'Neil)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2016Sep/0005.html

Accepted

J1.5 Review of action items

NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!

J1.5.1 Outstanding action items


ACTION A-649-04: Abel to report test results.
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-09-20


ACTION A-650-08: Action on Abel to implement fn:transform
Status: Pending; ETA 2016-09-20



J1.5.2 Completed action items

[none]

J1.6 Update on related activities

J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)

[nothing specific]


J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)

[nothing specific]


J1.7 Future Meetings

J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule

[V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2016Jul/0003.html

Neither XQuery nor XSLT meeting in TPAC so joint teleconference will
be as usual.

J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings

J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings

(none)


J2. Documents For Review

(none)



J3. Maintenance Issues

J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.


J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to
potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1

Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
        Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL
WG
        consultation.


J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG
and
XSLT WG documents

(none)



J4. Active Specification Development


** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
then this can be brought back on the agenda.



J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/h
tml/Overview.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/h
tml/Overview-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/s
rc/changes.txt


(none)


J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)

J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/h
tml/Overview.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/h
tml/Overview-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/s
rc/changes.txt



J4.2.1 Bug 29761 - [FO31] width modifier (again)
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29761


See Mike's comment #1
Status: Ready to discuss

To be resolved WORKSFORME


J4.2.2 Bug 29765 - [FO31] 9.8.4.4 Formatting the Year Component
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29765

See Mike's proposal:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29765#c5

Status: Ready to discuss

Comment 5 essentially says, we'll use a width modifier if supplied,
otherwise print the full value.

Mike's proposal adopted

ACTION 653-01: Mike to implement change in bug 29765 comment 5 for
width modifier in formatting the year ocmponent


J4.2.3 Bug 29785 - [FO31] 17.5.4 fn:xml-to-json
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29785


See Mike's proposal:
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29785#c6

Mike's proposal accepted

ACTION 653-02: Mike to implement bug 29785 comment 6, modified by "the
outcome of validation..."


J4.2.4 Bug 29722 - [FO31] fn:sort, array:sort
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29722


Status: REOPENED (comment #7); Ready to discuss

MSM: I agree with the commenter that I think it'd be slightly better
the other way but I agree not to make the change (as Jonathan had said)

People on the call supported keeping the status quo at this stage;
Mike will fix the typo.

ACTION 653-03 Mike to fix typo pointed out in 29722 on fn:sort,
array:sort



J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)

J4.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serializ
ation-31/html/Overview.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serializ
ation-31/html/Overview-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serializ
ation-31/src/changes.txt


(none)


J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)

J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath
-31.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath
-31-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/change
s.txt

(none)


J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)

(none)


J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)

J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools


J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results

Status: Currently three implementers submitted results

O'Neil republished the test results at
https://dev.w3.org/2011/QT3-test-suite/ReportingResults31/
Looking better now Xmlprime was added.

J5. Progression of Work

J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1,
Serialization 3.1

J5.1.1 Current status

* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports

* Potential coordination of dates with XSLT 3.0

Tim Mills raised a concern on the XQueryX schema relating to arrowExpr
and
will raise a bug report.


J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J5.2 Update 3.0

J5.2.1 Current Status

* In Last Call Working Draft

At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but
found
no great enthusiasm for doing the work.  We cannot progress without
plans
for a test suite and potential implementers.  The WG needs to decide
what
to do with this spec.

Status: Ready to discuss



J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite


J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J6. Any other business

J6.1 Consideration of future work

J6.1.1 QT 3.2

The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under
way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for
a
period of time after finishing the specifications.


J6.1.2 FT 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources


J6.1.3 Update 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources



J7. Adjourn




=======================
XML Query Working Group
=======================

Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than
the
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation,
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of
specifications.


Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG
documents

(none)



Q2. Active Specification Development

Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)

Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/htm
l/Overview.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/htm
l/Overview-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src
/changes.txt


* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.


Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
See
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/
Overview.html


* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended
to
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.


Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)

Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquer
y-31.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquer
y-31-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/change
s.txt


(none)


Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)

Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Over
view.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Over
view-diff.html

http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/chang
es.txt



(none)


Q3. Test Suite Development

Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests

Q4. Any other business

Q5. Adjourn

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