Minutes for XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #620 Agenda 2015-10-20

Andrew Coleman chaired this meeting.


SUMMARY OF DECISIONS
====================
Decision: Resolve Bug 29186 with Josh's proposal in the bug report.
Decision: Closed Bug 29207 as "Won't fix".


NEW ACTION ITEMS
================
A-620-1 Jonathan Robie to come up with the wording for solving Bug 4378.
A-620-2 Mike Kay to close and resolve Bug 29186 as proposed by Josh.
A-620-3 Jonathan Robie to propose a resolution of Bug 29192
A-620-4 Michael Dyck to resolve Bug 29185 by accepting the proposal.


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Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group
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J1. Administrative Items

J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)

Adam has been asked to take the minutes. O'Neil has been asked to stand by.


NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the
meeting.


Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
----------------------------------------------------------
(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.

Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2015-06-09, 2015-03-03, 2014-11-25
O'Neil Delpratt     - 2015-06-23, 2015-03-17, 2014-12-02
Mike Kay            - 2015-07-15, 2015-04-14, 2015-01-06
John Snelson        - 2015-07-16, 2015-06-02, 2015-02-11
Loren Cahlander     - 2015-07-17, 2015-05-19, 2015-02-10
Michael Dyck        - 2015-09-01, 2015-03-31, 2014-12-16
Josh Spiegel        - 2015-09-08, 2015-03-24, 2014-12-09
Tim Mills           - 2015-09-15, 2015-04-21, 2015-02-03
Norm Walsh          - 2015-09-22, 2015-05-05, 2015-01-27
Jonathan Robie      - 2015-10-29, 2015-05-12, 2015-01-13
Liam Quin           - 2015-10-06, 2015-06-16, 2015-03-10
Adam Retter         - 2015-10-20, 2015-04-21, 2015-01-20


J1.2 Call the Roll

Andrew Coleman
Adam Retter
Jonathan Robie
Josh Spiegel
Liam Quin
Michael Dyck
Michael Kay
O'Neil Delpratt
Tim Mills


XML Query WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=18797&order=org

XSL WG membership list:
http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=19552&order=org


Regrets:

Norman Walsh.


J1.3 Approval of agenda

Approved.


J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?

No changes.


J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items

J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #619 (Liam)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0016.html

No changes. Minutes accepted.


J1.5 Review of action items

NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!

J1.5.1 Outstanding action items


ACTION A-579-18: Jonathan to write change proposal to support update of
maps and arrays.  (See agenda item Q2.1.1)

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24


ACTION A-585-04: Jonathan to write a concrete proposal for XQuery Update
3.1 that makes preservation of node identity implementation defined at
the persistence layer.
See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2014Nov/0012.html

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-11-24


ACTION A-613-30: Jonathan Robie to editorially resolve bug
27059. Include the example of function coercion against a map item
from comment 4 of bug 27059.
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27059#c4

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-10-27


ACTION A-614-01 on JRobie to work with Zed to build FT 3.1 docs before
checking them in.

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-10-27


ACTION A-614-13 on Michael Dyck (was previously JRobie) to propose
wording to resolve Bug 29027.

Status: Pending; ETA 2015-10-27


ACTION A-618-01: Loren to change the schema for serialization to allow
for EQNames.

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-619-01: Liam to add links to new mailing list onto XQuery group
page

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.


ACTION A-619-02: Mike to move Bug 29146 to XSLT agenda

Status: Pending; 2015-10-27


ACTION A-619-06: jrobie to adopt 29119 and close the bug, e.g. using
[[
xs:error is a type that has no instances; it was defined in XML Schema
in the
interests of making the type system complete and closed, and it is also
available in XQuery/XPath for similar reasons. Although the practical
uses of
xs:error are limited, they are well-defined, and are consistent with the
fact
that xs:error is defined as a union type with no member types. For
example: (X
instance of xs:error) is always false, etc etc
]]

Status: Closed;


ACTION A-619-07: jrobie to adopt 29170 comment 2 and close the bug,
using
Don't say that users can create annotations or assertions, they can't;
annotations and assertions should behave in the same way as
pragmas for unrecognized local names / URI; this includes its error
behaviour

Status: Closed;



J1.5.2 Completed action items


ACTION A-613-26: Norm Walsh to replace the text in XDM 3.1 section
17.1 by implementing the changes from comment 6 of bug 28795.
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28795#c6

Status: Closed;  Overtaken by events


ACTION A-616-02: Michael SpMQ to make changes to serialization
specification detailed in
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26862

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0046.html


ACTION A-617-04: ETA 2015-09-29 Jonathan to write prose for the section
on string templates.

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0013.html


ACTION A-618-02 Mike to propose a resolution to
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28845comments #10-11.

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0007.html


ACTION A-618-03 Mike to close
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29044
and implement it in the specification.

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0007.html


ACTION A-618-04 Mike to handle Bug 29145 editorially.

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0007.html


ACTION A-618-05 Mike to suggest a resolution to Bug 29146.

Status: Closed; Moved to XSLT


ACTION A-618-07 Jonathan to write text for string templates and add it
to the spec.

Status: Closed; duplicate


ACTION A-618-08 O'Neil to add texts for fn:collection to support
results that are not nodes. One approach: the test suite specifies a
query that returns a sequence
equivalent to the contents of a sequence, e.g.
<collection uri="my-collection"
xpath="yes">unparsed-text-lines('xxx')!parse-json()</collection>

Status: Closed; See
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0026.html


ACTION A-619-03: Mike to make the change to F&O for 29159 and close the
bug

Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29159#c2


ACTION A-619-04: Mike to make the change to F&O for 29164 comment 1 and
close the bug

Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29164#c2


ACTION A-619-05: Mike to make the change to F&O for 29172 and close the
bug

Status: Closed; See
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29172#c1



J1.6 Update on related activities

J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)
- Still work in progress, just squashing bugs. Mike Kay.


J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Loren)
- Nothing of significance. Adam Retter.


J1.7 Future Meetings

J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule

[V43] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xsl-query/2015Jul/0038.html


J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings

J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings

There is interest in a possible F2F in conjunction with XML Prague in
February 2016.


J2. Documents For Review

(none)



J3. Maintenance Issues

J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.


J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1

Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
        Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG
        consultation.


J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and
XSLT WG documents

J3.1.1 Bugzilla Bug 24568, Is the type system really a lattice? Or just
a partially ordered set?
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24568

Status: Fixed in Data Model 3.1; not expected to be addressed in Data
Model 3.0


J3.1.2 Bugzilla Bug 25231, [F+O 3.0 ONLY], ISO 8601, and XSD 1.1
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25231

Status: Fixed in F&O 3.1; not expected to be addressed in F&O 3.0


J3.1.3 Bugzilla Bug 26788, [XPath30] XQuery-only errors in XPath 3.0
specification, like XQST0134"
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26788

Status: Fixed in XPath 3.1; not expected to be addressed in XPath 3.0



J4. Active Specification Development

J4.1 Full Text 3.0 (Jim)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-30/src/changes.txt

(none)


J4.2 Full Text 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Jim)

J4.2.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-30/html/Overview.html

(none)



J4.3 Full Text 3.1 (Zed Zhou)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-full-text-31/src/changes.txt

Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with at least some
technical changes (relative to Full Text 3.0) already made so the WGs
can consider if they like the direction.



J4.4 Full Text 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Zed Zhou)

J4.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xpath-full-text-31/html/Overview.html

Zed Zhou should prepare a draft of this document with the necessary
requirements and at least some use cases for the WGs to consider.  We
should spend significant time determining which requirements the WGs
will accept.



J4.5 XPath and XQuery 3.1 Requirements and Use Cases (Jonathan)

J4.5.0 Internal working drafts
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-31/html/Overview.html

(none)


J4.6 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)

J4.6.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-datamodel-31/src/changes.txt

(none)


J4.7 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)

J4.7.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xpath-functions-31/src/changes.txt


J4.7.1 Bug 29146 - [FO31] fn:transform options update
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29146

Status: Pending completion of A-619-02


J4.7.2 Bug 29184 - Modify fn:string-join to accept xs:anyAtomicType*
instead of xs:string*
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29184

Status: Ready to discuss



J4.8 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)

J4.8.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xslt-xquery-serialization-31/src/changes.txt

(none)



J4.9 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)

J4.9.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xpath-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt


J4.9.1 Bug 29119 - [XP31] xs:error always raises a type error
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29119

Status: Ready to discuss - comment 19?
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29119#c19


J4.9.2 EXI 'changes' to JSON schema
See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsl-query/2015Oct/0000.html

Status: Ready to discuss


J4.9.3 Bug 29185 - The expression inside curly braces should be optional
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29185

Status: Closed; Pending completion of A-620-4.


J4.10 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)

J4.10.1 Bugzilla Bug 13796, [Applet30] \u escaped characters in grammar
applets
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13796

Status: Pending



J4.11 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)

J4.11.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools


J4.11.2 Status of 3.1 tests

Status: Coverage is almost complete.


J4.11.3 Publication of test suite.

Status: Ready to discuss



J4.12 FT 3.1 test suite (???)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests



J5. Progression of Work

J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1,
Serialization 3.1

J5.1.1 Current status

* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports


J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request


J5.1.3 Vote to publish XQuery 3.1 as revised Candidate Recommendation

Status: Ready to discuss


J5.1.4 Vote to publish Serialization 3.1 as revised Candidate Recommendation

Status: Ready to discuss


J5.2 Full Text 3.0

J5.2.1 Current Status

* Proposed Recommendation


J5.2.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request


J5.3 Update 3.0

J5.3.1 Current Status

* In Last Call Working Draft


J5.3.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite


J5.3.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request



J6. Any other business

J6.1 Consideration of future work

J6.1.1 QT 3.2

The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
period of time after finishing the specifications.


J6.1.2 FT 3.1

EMC has expressed interest and is willing to provide resources


J6.1.3 Update 3.1

Unclear whether there is adequate interest or resources



J7. Adjourn




=======================
XML Query Working Group
=======================

Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation,
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of
specifications.

Status: Pending completion of ACTION A-592-02.

Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents

(none)



Q2. Active Specification Development

Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)

Q2.1.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-update-30/src/changes.txt

* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.


Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)
See
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/requirements/xquery-update-30/html/Overview.html

* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.


Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)

Q2.3.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/html/xquery-31-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xquery-31/src/changes.txt


Q2.3.1 Bug 29027 - [qt3] contextDecl-022
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29027

Status: Pending completion of A-614-13


Q2.3.2 Bug 4378 - error in K2-NodeTest-21
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4378

Status: Pending completion of A-620-1


Q2.3.3 Bug 29186 - The StringConstructorInterpolation expression
should be atomized and converted to a space separated string
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29186

Status: Pending completion of A-620-2


Q2.3.4 Bug 29192 - [XP31] Non-normative "summary" of casting rules is inaccurate
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29192

Status: Pending completion of A-620-3


Q2.3.5 Bug 29207 - [XQ31] reserved namespaces needs updating
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29207

Status: Closed; Won't fix.


Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)

Q2.4.0 Internal working draft
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/html/Overview-diff.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/qtspecs/specifications/xqueryx-31/src/changes.txt

(none)



Q3. Test Suite Development

Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests



Q4. Any other business

None.


Q5. Adjourn



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