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- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:45:25 -0000
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minutes from today's telcon now available:
http://psd.local/2002/ws/databinding/8/3/11-databinding-minutes.html#item02
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XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference
11 Mar 2008
Agenda
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
Jon Calladine (BT)
George Cowe (Origo Services Limited)
Paul Downey (BT)
Yves Lafon (W3C)
Regrets
Chair
pauld
Scribe
pauld
Contents
* Topics
1. Publication of Basic Patterns
2. Collection and Schema Annotation
3. lc-xsd-1
4. lc-xsd-2
5. lc-xsd-3
6. lc-xsd-4
* Summary of Action Items
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Publication of Basic Patterns
pauld: we need to renew the charter, runs out end of this month
yves: we need to have a document published, that'll help
gcowe: "elementfinal" isn't valid, and is "Basic", should be removed
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2008Feb/0008.html
pauld: testing worked?
gcowe: example was missing
pauld: doubly sure we should remove it
... OK so "ElementFinal" is removed as a pattern
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding/2008Feb/0013.html
<gcowe> elementfixed was a new advanced pattern added
pauld: elementfixed accepted as an advaced
... I'll produce a list of differences
XML Schema WG send comments:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding-comments/2008Feb/0000.
html
pauld: most look reasonable
... most look like they apply to spec as it stands
... suggest I raise these as LC issues, publish this week on the list and we OK
at a meeting next tuesday
pauld: we need to list the changes from the previous Last Call publication in the
status section:
$ cvs co -r1.67 patterns.xml
last call patterns:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/patterns/patterns-lc1.xml
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/patterns/patterns.xml
need to record list of patterns added and removed since our last, last call
gcowe: will look at the differences
Collection and Schema Annotation
<Yves> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-xmlschema-patterns-20061122/
pauld: have a technique for annotation schema, should have it tonight
lc-xsd-1
* References to concepts and terminology from XSD need to be made more
precise. For example, section 1.3 says "A document claiming conformance
to this specification ... MUST conform to the [XML Schema 1.0
Recommendation]", but XSD provides no conformance requirements for
"documents" in general. It would be more appropriate to say that "A
document claiming conformance to this specification ... MUST be a 'schema
document' [2], as defined in [XML Schema 1.0 Recommendation], and MUST
therefore meet the "Constraints on the representation of schema components
in XML" [3] provided therein." Actually, there's a further mismatch on
infosets vs. serialization; see next point.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xmlschema-patterns-20071031/#document-conformance
RESOLUTION: Accepted suggested text for lc-xsd-1
lc-xsd-2
* 1.3 also says that a document conforming to the databinding
specification must be a well formed XML 1.0 document; XSD defines a
schema document as an Infoset with <xs:schema> as the root element. You
should make clear whether the mismatch is intentional, and if so rewrite
the text suggested above accordingly. Otherwise, you should change to
indicate that a conforming document is infact an Infoset, consistent with
XSD. That will mean changing the many references to XML 1.0 documents
that appear throughout your draft.
pauld: we discussed this early on, I should find evidence of our discussion, but
we agreed to work at the XML level, and this is an addition constraint over the
XML Schema spec, and this is a part of our relationship to the WS-I BP
RESOLUTION: Rejected lc-xsd-2
lc-xsd-3
* Section 1.4 suggests that a conforming application "SHOULD be able to
process any valid [XML Schema 1.0] document.". First of all, there's some
question as to whether a SHOULD is appropriate in a conformance section.
Notwithstanding that, the reference to [XML Schema 1.0] documents is
again not strictly clear, since XSD talks about instances to be validated
as well as schema documents. We suggest a formal reference to 'schema
documents' [2] as in the first point above.
pauld: whole point of our spec is that not all implementations can swallow any
documents
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xmlschema-patterns-20071031/#implementation-conforma
nce
pauld: what would be the advantage of removing this?
yves: wouldn't impact people's reading of the document
pauld: anyone want to argue against removing:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-xmlschema-patterns-20071031/#assert-AnySchema
RESOLUTION: Accepted lc-xsd-3 and remove assert-AnySchema
lc-xsd-4
* Section 1.4 says that conformance requires that an implementation: "
MUST produce a data model exposing all of the [XML 1.0] element node and
attribute node content described by the originating [XML Schema 1.0]
document.", but "described by" is not a formal relation or operation
provided for in XSD. Especially in a conformance requirement, this seems
too informal.
pauld: no alternative terminology suggested. "described by" is pretty OK by me,
but then I'm no spec lawyer
... any suggestions for better suggestion?
yves: "per"
pauld: or we could define "described by"
gcowe: "constrained by"
pauld: "constrained" is used throughout the XML Schema spec
RESOLUTION: Accepted lc-xsd-4 replacing "described" with "constrained"
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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