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Minutes: XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Telcon 5 February 2007

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                            XML Schema Patterns for Databinding Working Group Teleconference

05 Feb 2008

   See also: IRC log


          Jon Calladine (BT)
          George Cowe (Origo Services Limited)
          Paul Downey (BT)
          Yves Lafon (W3C)




     * Topics
         1. Administrivia
         2. ISSUE-2: test suite
         3. ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema
         4. Basic Last Call
     * Summary of Action Items


   pauld: sorry, didn't get an agenda out for today!

   pauld: but it's the standing items, plus moving Basic Last call as discussed at last week's F2F.

   pauld: minutes from 2008-01-30, 2008-01-31, 2008-02-01 F2F (W3C ERCIM Sophia Antipolis, France)

   2007-12-18 teleconference

   2007-10-30 teleconference

   2007-10-09, 2007-10-10, 2007-10-11 Interoperability Workshop (BT, London, England)

   2007-08-01, 2007-08-02, 2007-08-03 F2F (Origo, Edinburgh, Scotland) approved!

ISSUE-2: test suite

   george: generated reports for 10 toolkits, took longer than I expected as new patterns caused barfing

   <Yves> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/report/all.html

   george: don't have the environments for BEA, ZSI etc

   pauld: OK, we can't carry on doing this for ever


   we've a lot of white, can we be confident that means we didn't run the tests, not that they barfed?

   george: new examples means we get an unbalanced view if we don't rerun a toolkit, we need to remove it

   pauld: prefer to highlight where it barfed rather than when we didn't run it

   maybe I could regenerate this: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/edcopy/venn/venn.html

   yves: I have the list of which examples aren't good


   yves: I can add "exclude error" which will turn white to red for barfing

   george: concerned that some tools have more green than others, just because we haven't rerun them

   pauld: seems ok but we need to change the text "(White) indicates the test was not run. Often this is because
   the toolkit was unable to consume the XML Schema or WSDL document." for skipped in the report

   pauld: I will fix that so as far as testing goes, we need Yves fix, my venn regenerated/improved and change to

   pauld: also nice to see if we can't get Adrian to help re-run. Will do this once we're "done".

   <gcowe> Spring (Castor) and BEA Weblogic testsuite not successfully run yet.

   <gcowe> Axis 1.4, Axi2 1.3 (ADB), Axis2 1.3 (XMLBeans), .Net, Mono, Spring (JAXB2), Spring (XMLBeans), Spring
   (XMLBeans), XFire and XFire (XMLBeans) all rerun successfully. Can Yves rerun report?

   yves: more vendor tools, such as BEA, the better

   <gcowe> and PHP too! nearly forgot about that one.

   <Yves> the report is up to date

   pauld: would be good to tidy the report up ahead of a director's call

   <Yves> I will rerun after editing the toolkit.xml

ISSUE-12: identifying a conformant schema

   yves: the service works with the directly with the patternsdetector.xsl latest uses the standard W3C XSLT

   yves: if you want to run on a local schema, you can always download the command line version

   george: you need to work from the command line, not as simple as using the web site

   pauld: wonder if there is a quick win using an online service, sounds like a similar issue to the microformats

   pauld: who knows, the stylesheet may find its way into Oxygen, XMLSpy, etc

   we need to do more work on this and the collection before we can progress Advanced

   pauld: suspect we need more work, and as we add more patterns, we'll need to do more work to make them coherent

   george: I spotted a couple with maxOccurs which seemed unnecessary

Basic Last Call

   pauld: thanks Jon for your patterns text. Will try to incorporate the text in a human readable, but precise way
   (a challenge!)

   jonc: I think we need more explanation of how and why we use XPaths

   pauld: worried we sail down a slippery slope, and don't want to introduce chatty or informal text into a
   specification, but will try to make it readable.

   pauld: Any objections on moving Basic to second Last Call, expecting it'll go to PR>

   none heard

   yves: four weeks is the minimum, seems sufficient for me. We didn't make many changes.

   pauld: we made a resolution to move dateTime to advanced based on testing, but how do we feel about that now?

   george: happy for it to be in advanced, does have issues.

   yves: they're ok, so long as they're between 1970 and 2038 and timezone qualified, and 5 digit years!

   pauld: so we're still OK with Advanced? tools map it to a programming dateTime type which isn't a good fit.

   pauld: OK, so Last Call of one month, including non-normative patterns text.

   our next call is in two weeks time, when we'll look at Advanced

Summary of Action Items

   [End of minutes]
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