- From: Jonathan Marsh <jonathan@wso2.com>
- Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:54:39 -0700
- To: <paul.downey@bt.com>, <public-xsd-databinding-comments@w3.org>
Yes, I'm satisfied. Thanks for the response! Jonathan Marsh - http://www.wso2.com - http://auburnmarshes.spaces.live.com > -----Original Message----- > From: paul.downey@bt.com [mailto:paul.downey@bt.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 3:29 PM > To: jonathan@wso2.com; public-xsd-databinding-comments@w3.org > Subject: RE: Databinding comments > > Dear Jonathan, > > Please accept my sincire applogies for taking so long to > reply to your comments you may recall making long, long ago [1]. > > > 1) It's not clear to me why the XPath assertions are so > complicated. > > For instance, the following pattern: > > .[@targetNamespace]/ (., @targetNamespace) > > returns a non-empty node-set (an xs:schema element and a > > targetNamespace attribute) on a pattern-conforming schema. > > However, a simpler pattern will give us a similarly non-empty node- > set: > > @targetNamespace > > or if you really think this helps set the context (I don't), it's > synonym: > > ./@targetNamespace > > IMO this is simpler to read is that it is familiar to XPath 1.0 > users, not > > just those who dive into the (distressingly complex) XPath 2.0 spec. > There > > seems to be additional information encoded in the XPath 2.0 form, but > it's > > not clear what it's used for, if anything, especially since this > style > > doesn't appear in all patterns. > > The working group sympathised with your point of view, the XPaths are > complex > but we elected to endeavor to make them consistent, each pattern in two > parts, > first explicitly locating a node, then selecting the nodes to be > matched, rather > than making the simplest patterns simpler as you suggest: > > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/F2F-databinding- > minutes.html#item09 > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/lc-issues/issues.html#lc- > jmarsh-1 > > > 2) Pattern 2.1.4 SchemaVersion. How does the version attribute > help > > with databinding? Seems like encouraging it's appearance (while not > a bad > > idea) is orthogonal to the goal of mapping to data structures. Same > can be > > said of 2.2.1 DocumentationElement, probably others as well. This > seems to > > stray into general purpose schema subset territory. > > It does stray into general purpose schema sub-setting, but the approach > taken for Basic is to allow all aspects of schema, unless they are > shown > not to work with state of the art implementations. Our testing revealed > version as having no impact, and so is "Basic", along with similar > schema > attributes ignored by implementations. > > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/F2F-databinding- > minutes.html#item10 > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/lc-issues/issues.html#lc- > jmarsh-2 > > > 3) Pattern 2.2.1 DocumentationElement. Listing <xs:annotation> > twice > > (in context and out) looks like a bug in the example generation code > ;-). > > We believe we've resolved this issue. Thanks for noticing! > > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/F2F-databinding- > minutes.html#item11 > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/lc-issues/issues.html#lc- > jmarsh-3 > > > 4) The patterns are written in terms of "a document exhibits a > pattern > > when .". An effect of this is that a pattern may return a node-set > even > > when parts of the document don't exhibit the pattern, or exhibit the > > opposite of the pattern. For instance 2.3.3 NotMixed says a document > > exhibits a pattern when there is at least one instance of > @mixed="false", > > but the information a user is most likely to want is whether the > schema > > exhibits any undesirable patterns, such as the (likely problematic) > > @mixed="true". In essence, the granularity implied with the > statement "An > > [XML 1.0] document exhibits the NotMixed pattern" doesn't seem to be > > terrible useful, and contrary to the name, does not ensure a schema > doesn't > > allow mixed content. It might be as simple as changing the > expression to > > something like @mixed!='true', or there might be a larger problem > with the > > granularity here. > > We allow explicitly asserting the default value for attributes such as > "mixed" for > similar reasons as to why we allow the "version" attribute: > > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/F2F-databinding- > minutes.html#item12 > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/lc-issues/issues.html#lc- > jmarsh-4 > > > 5) Appendix C why is R2800 not grouped with R2112? They seem to be > > introduced the same way. > > Reading the specification with fresh eyes, I understand the confusion, > but the rationale > behind the grouping, which we've maintained is R2112 is something > allowed by the > Basic patterns document, but explicitly disallowed by the WS-I BP, > whereas R2800 is a case where the WS-I BP is less constrained than the > Basic patterns > document: > > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/F2F-databinding- > minutes.html#item13 > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/7/2/lc-issues/issues.html#lc- > jmarsh-5 > > We hope you are agreeable with the Working Group's processing of your > comments. > > Yours, > Paul, On behalf of the W3C XML Schema Patterns > for Databinding Working Group > http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/databinding/ > > [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xsd-databinding- > comments/2007Jan/0000.html
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